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Old Apr 29,2008, 09:43 AM   #1
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Flush on paired board

Live MTT

Blinds are 300/600

Hero stack : 9900
Vilain : 10000

Dealt to hero : Q8d
I limp in the cutoff with 2 limpers + 2 blinds.

Flop is Kd9c3d

SB bets 600
I call everyone else folds

Turn is 9d

SB bets 600
I make it 2000 more
He reraise 5000 more.


Is that an auto-fold?
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Old Apr 29,2008, 09:51 AM   #2
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Well in my opinion the paired board makes it better for you to make the call. When i get a flush i want my opponent to make 2 pair or hey even better a triple! since the pot was limped into before the flop im pretty sure you can assume that the other guy doesnt have pocket kings (so there goes 1 FH to worry about). Of coarse he could have pocket 9's or 3's but id highly doubt it.. Im pretty sure for this situation your opponent was holding something like A 9..but then u gotta watch for a higher flush.. i dono its a tough call but i would probably make it.
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Old Apr 29,2008, 10:03 AM   #3
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Well in my opinion the paired board makes it better for you to make the call. When i get a flush i want my opponent to make 2 pair or hey even better a triple! since the pot was limped into before the flop im pretty sure you can assume that the other guy doesnt have pocket kings (so there goes 1 FH to worry about). Of coarse he could have pocket 9's or 3's but id highly doubt it.. Im pretty sure for this situation your opponent was holding something like A 9..but then u gotta watch for a higher flush.. i dono its a tough call but i would probably make it.
Uhhh, K,9 or 9,3 in the small blind that just got there. I don't think he bets any naked 9 from the small blind out of position on that flop. Then re-raise you on the turn with a flushed and paired board without the FH. Unlikely unless on str8 steal. I probably would have just called his original bet and perhaps called the river depending on bet, stack sizes, etc. 9d looks like his gin card, makes you tye flush and him the FH..h

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Old Apr 29,2008, 10:09 AM   #4
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Live MTT

Blinds are 300/600

Hero stack : 9900
Vilain : 10000

Dealt to hero : Q8d
I limp in the cutoff with 2 limpers + 2 blinds.

Flop is Kd9c3d

SB bets 600
I call everyone else folds

Turn is 9d

SB bets 600
I make it 2000 more
He reraise 5000 more.


Is that an auto-fold?
No. Barring any reads I think I go broke here...you can't play with monsters-under-the-bed syndrome.
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Old Apr 29,2008, 11:44 AM   #5
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No. Barring any reads I think I go broke here...you can't play with monsters-under-the-bed syndrome.
What would you put the SB on then? That you could beat that is. K,3? Naked 9 or K?
I don't think this is the "monsters-under-the-bed syndrome" type of situation. I could see a complete bluff, but without a read on the guy I would tend to believe the re-raise especially in a tournament.
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Old Apr 29,2008, 11:57 AM   #6
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You can second guess what the other guy has, all you want. If you are talking in general terms, I would call, no issue. if you fold your [almost] nut flush every time the board pairs, it is not winning poker. If the other player has a better flush, such is life. If he happened to hit a full house (or slow played quads), again its life.
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Old Apr 29,2008, 12:08 PM   #7
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I re-raised all in with pretty much the same thoughts as you guys ...

He had 93o for the full house (which he was really proud of showing lol)

Thks for the input, knew I made the right play in the situation not going to face someone who calls his SB with 93 that often...!
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Old Apr 29,2008, 01:32 PM   #8
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not going to face someone who calls his SB with 93 that often...!
in the SB with that many callers, any two cards are worth a call. Just bad luck. SB special
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Old Apr 29,2008, 01:35 PM   #9
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If you're gonna play Q8s in late position, why not raise? Limping here is terrible.

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If you're gonna play Q8s in late position, why not raise? Limping here is terrible.

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Unless you commit to the hand and get rid of some riff raff preflop you have to give more credit to a big raise from the limpers.
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Old Apr 29,2008, 02:00 PM   #11
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What's better there, fold PF or raise PF ?
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Old Apr 29,2008, 02:23 PM   #12
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What's better there, fold PF or raise PF ?
Depends. If the table is playing passive[1] I'd steal in late position with any two. At 300/600 the blinds are definitely worth stealing. If the limpers have been limp-calling a lot, it's definitely a fold.

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[1] passive - meaning the limpers will fold to a raise and the blinds won't defend without a hand
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If you're gonna play Q8s in late position, why not raise? Limping here is terrible.

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Come on, who doesn't limp once in a while
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Come on, who doesn't limp once in a while
I didn't say there was anything wrong with limping sometimes. Just here its a leak.

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Old Apr 29,2008, 03:56 PM   #15
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I didn't say there was anything wrong with limping sometimes. Just here its a leak.

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QFT, if you are going to limp and let the blinds in cheap, (9,3) wasn't that one of the hands I mentioned, then you have to be able to lay down to strong resistance. That's a leak for sure in a tournament. May as well just hand the SB the chips...
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