Hand I just played wanna hear some thoughts.

jdAA88 · Mar 12,2011, 12:38 PM

With your read on villain I def agree with Vekked that 5bet/jamming is better than flatting.
As played I like the lead, induces him to spazz out with worse which he ended up doing.

Vekked · Mar 12,2011, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by GTA Poker

Well, convince me...I don`t play NL MTTs almost ever, but if there isn`t much history with these 2 players then betting the same with his entire range isn`t as much of a factor is it?

At this level it's always important to balance to some degree. In this spot the reason we're making it this size as opposed to bigger is that if we make it any bigger it's so obvious we're never bluffing and we'll only get action from JJ+/AK, and we'll induce less spazz. This size is meant to look like we're bluffing when we're not so people will shove over us still. This is about as big as we can make it to still get action from the original raiser.

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Wouldn't it be better to bet an amount that either takes it down right there or makes it a huge error to call with KQ, AT-AQ and any pair?

How is it not already a huge error for someone to call for 3-outs vs. AK with this size? We're giving them 3:1 and they need like 4.5:1 or something to hit their 3-outer if they play perfectly post flop.

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Why would a pot-sized reraise be such a mistake -- is it somehow more exploitable?

Yes, they'll just fold AQ/AJ like every time and turns our hand face up.

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Does risking his whole stack post-flop not outweigh balancing his bet sizing and risking his entire tournament vs increasing his stack by 15% and taking it down preflop?

I don't even want to get into weighing benefits of risking your tournament life vs. winning a smaller amount of chips. Basically, and most high stakes MTT players agree, you should be looking to maximize value in 99% of spots instead of worrying about tourney life unless the ICM implications are high.

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Assigning him a range how often is it good to get it all in with AJ post flop? Without history my thinking is his range is (generously) AJ+, 88+ although I lean much more towards AK, TT+ vs an unknown in this spot...without doing the math I assume that getting it in post flop vs his range isn't great.

I'm not sure what part you're talking about with assigning him these ranges. But basically if we called with AJ pre-flop we gotta get it in here for the sake of consistency in our line since our call pre should indicate we think we're ahead of his range.

djgolfcan · Mar 17,2011, 10:25 AM

I like the thinking going on in this thread. However, does our thinking need to change at different buy in levels ?

I am almost certain that in a $5, $11, or even $26, players are not thinking about, oh, he just flatted my 3-bet preflop, he must have JJ+ - They are thinking, I have AK, ship it, woohoo. J high flop, oh well I have two overs, I can make him fold if I shove and if not I might hit.

I know that some do think on different levels and you need to get reads on who they are, OPR helps to see if they are regulars.

For me, in my limited experience, a 4-bet usually indicates a monster (JJ+/AK) and I would fold pre-flop almost every time. Unless I had a read that vilain was a total spaz or on tilt.