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Old Dec 23,2009, 12:19 PM   #1
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How can I avoid this?

So I'm playing a 200-player tourney (there are only 15 players left tough), we're at blinds level 1000-2000 and the average chip stack is about 40K. I have 22K remaining, blinds go up every 15 min.

It is folded around to me in the small blind. I got two black 5's so I raise the big blind 4K more. He calls. Flop comes 4-6-8 with two spades. I think of it for a while and push in my remaining 16K, thinking my opponent (who is the table chipleader at the moment) might only have ace-high or some kind of crap (he's been playing lots of hands). He finally makes the call and tables K-4 offsuit, no spades.

Well, the turn comes a six and the river an eight, forfeiting my pair of fives and giving the BB the winning hand: 6s and 8s with king kicker.. ouch! this one hurt.

Would anyone have any advice on playing such "middle-strength hands" in the late stages of a tourney? Should I've went all-in before the flop or just called? Isn't the "all-in approach" a bit too reckless at this point of the tournament?

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Old Dec 23,2009, 12:22 PM   #2
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BB's stack size? (sorry missed that he's the chip leader in the OP). I'm assuming you're in the money at 15.

If you're going to play those (and I would with 11 BB's). I shove.....I don't want him to see anything he even remotely likes..
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Old Dec 23,2009, 12:26 PM   #3
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Just as I was submitting, I get a 404 error..sheesh

Push or fold preflop, and folding is the wrong answer.
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Old Dec 23,2009, 12:28 PM   #4
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It was probably the father of your 1st grandchild to be...
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Old Dec 23,2009, 12:32 PM   #5
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It was probably the father of your 1st grandchild to be...
Okay, I'm going to type this very slowly, because you're old...

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It was probably the father of your 1st grandchild to be...


LOL, now compuease don't start, he is under enough stress
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Old Dec 23,2009, 12:34 PM   #7
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Call, likely he has at least one over and if he has good cards you are not likely wanting to see the river with a pair of 5s.
If he comes over fold.
If the flop does not bring trips, give up the pot.
my play anyway.
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Comp is just trying to toughen AJ up for the inevitable. He has been there remember, even if it was before mom's had cars.
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Chipleader had somewhere around 60K, and we had just entered the money. Guess I should've shoved as he would likely not have called a 20K bet...
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Guess I should've shoved as he would likely not have called a 20K bet...
If you're gonna play 'em, that's the key.
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Assuming no antes, you have an M of just over 7. You should break your wrists pushing your chips into the middle.
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^^ I would agree but I don't know if there are others on life support that could move him up the money ladder.
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There were 3 players in the 20K range on the table, including myself (out of seven seated players). I really saw this hand as an opportunity to double-up at this stage.
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Go big or go home. Fuck the "money ladder"... You are there to win. Shove or fold.
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Found myself in a similar spot last Friday, cept we weren't quite in the money yet. I was in the cutoff with 55, folded to me, I had about 6 BB's, SB was a big stack, BB about the same as me.

I'm in auto jam mode here.......my luck was about as good as yours, as the SB picks up A's and I'm out.

But, with <10 BB's you should be shoving here....all day, every day.
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