Opp is aggressive, very similar to me, and adjusting, seems to be playing hu very well. I don't check back a lot of flop but he knows i'm mixing up my play
Turn suggests a queen, that tried to c/r the flop i think... maybe a nine maybe air
You're worried the case 9 may be in his hand on the turn? Pop his turn bet. He calls with a Q and then checks river to you.....send him that one way ticket to valuetown.
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Shut your hole fuck. This is level 5 metagame.
You're worried the case 9 may be in his hand on the turn? Pop his turn bet. He calls with a Q and then checks river to you.....send him that one way ticket to valuetown.
sometimes he has a better nine sometimes he has a queen sometimes he has air. If I raise the turn, I lose my stack to a better nine, make him fold some weak queens (maybe most queens because hes decent), and make him fold all his air that will donk bluff the river.
its a consideration but I checked for pot control knowing that a qx hand is drawing pretty slim and he'll have a hard time getting away from two pair\
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
sometimes he has a better nine sometimes he has a queen sometimes he has air. If I raise the turn, I lose my stack to a better nine, make him fold some weak queens (maybe most queens because hes decent), and make him fold all his air that will donk bluff the river.
its a consideration but I checked for pot control knowing that a qx hand is drawing pretty slim and he'll have a hard time getting away from two pair\
If he has a 8 or 9, I don't think there's any way he checks that flop The only check I can imagine is a queen looking for you to bet into him. My first instinct is an air bet on the turn but either way there's no way a 9 comes to mind and I want that pot now.
EDIT: I'm also not sure why you don't bet the flop there.
But maybe that's why I'm a bad player.
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Shut your hole fuck. This is level 5 metagame.
Last edited by Hellmuth's Mole; Jan 25,2012 at 10:58 AM.
You're flatting the turn to induce this river bet so its a pretty standard call imo even thought there are obviously tens and other better hands in his range.
You're flatting the turn to induce this river bet so its a pretty standard call imo even thought there are obviously tens and other better hands in his range.
So agreed as played. My play is to not see a river without control of that pot hence raise turn.
If he spiked his straight with that river, tip your cap.
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Shut your hole fuck. This is level 5 metagame.
If he has a 8 or 9, I don't think there's any way he checks that flop The only check I can imagine is a queen looking for you to bet into him. My first instinct is an air bet on the turn but either way there's no way a 9 comes to mind and I want that pot now.
EDIT: I'm also not sure why you don't bet the flop there.
But maybe that's why I'm a bad player.
he won't lead into this pot really ever. because he expects a cbet a lot he will always check raise his good hands and draws. and check call monsters, and check fold air.
And he def check raises qx here a lot. So I check because I don't want to fold when I can take a free card.
but your right he doesn't ever really have 9x
really he has qto here or air (which oddly i guess could be tx hand)
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
he won't lead into this pot really ever. because he expects a cbet a lot he will always check raise his good hands and draws. and check call monsters, and check fold air.
And he def check raises qx here a lot. So I check because I don't want to fold when I can take a free card.
but your right he doesn't ever really have 9x
really he has qto here or air (which oddly i guess could be tx hand)
And with a bet on the flop I would be happy taking it there with middle pair, or ecstatic on the turn with his flop flat with AQ. If you bet 14k at that flop and he c/r's you what is your play?
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Shut your hole fuck. This is level 5 metagame.
And with a bet on the flop I would be happy taking it there with middle pair, or ecstatic on the turn with his flop flat with AQ. If you bet 14k at that flop and he c/r's you what is your play?
when you bet, you expect to lose that money in the long run here. I don't want the chips, I want to gain ev with my chips, not take down pots
In order to make profit in dollars I have to get him to call with worse or fold better and i don't think he does
what he will do though is call with better (im spewing chip to him). or sometimes even checkraise with worse hands...in which case I can't call and have to fold...making a mistake folding a better hand and so giving him a piece of the actual prize money
Thats fairly correctish i think
also: 'Modernism, the idealistic search for truth, gave way in the latter half of the 20th century to a realization of its unattainability.'
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
I'm the other kind. You wanted control of the pot pre, fine, but esp HU I keep forward momentum. Very rarely is taking down a HU pot early a bad thing (obv spots where it happens but with your concern throughout here, I don't think it's one of those.)
But again it's just me, I don't and don't like playing strictly by the book.
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Shut your hole fuck. This is level 5 metagame.
I'm the other kind. You wanted control of the pot pre, fine, but esp HU I keep forward momentum. Very rarely is taking down a HU pot early a bad thing (obv spots where it happens but with your concern throughout here, I don't think it's one of those.)
But again it's just me, I don't and don't like playing strictly by the book.
i think we can say this person is to good to do that, and i may cbet a weaker player
but vs as stronger player and with this game flow a different way to say it is by betting the flop we can gain actually chips but we lose real money
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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