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Nov 13,2011, 05:19 PM
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#1 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Ignoring post flop open....
what lines are we taking for flop and turn?? its the leader board tourney so the kids are decent....
Poker Stars, $0.01 NL Hold'em Tournament, 500/1,000 Blinds, 100 Ante, 9 Players LeggoPoker.com - Hand History Converter
BTN: 40,936
SB: 29,068
BB: 38,588
Hero (UTG): 22,919
UTG+1: 24,339
UTG+2: 2,082
MP1: 17,366
MP2: 24,168
CO: 60,745 Pre-Flop: (2,400) 5  T dealt to Hero (UTG) Hero raises to 2,000, 3 folds, MP2 calls 2,000, 3 folds, BB calls 1,000 Flop: (7,400) J T  9 (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero checks, MP2 checks Turn: (7,400) K (3 Players)
BB checks, Hero 
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 13,2011, 06:20 PM
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You have 20ish bbs and you flopped a pair + fd, bet/get it in!!! As played bet 3-4k on turn and value smash any non-club river.
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Nov 13,2011, 06:44 PM
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bet turn and bet river for a 3rd of the pot if your stacksize > pot
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Nov 14,2011, 02:46 PM
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#4 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~  bet turn and bet river for a 3rd of the pot if your stacksize > pot | but what about hands drawing to a one card flush....?
well im thinking about that vs the revers implied odds of a higher flush...
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 14,2011, 03:16 PM
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Originally Posted by darbday but what about hands drawing to a one card flush....?
well im thinking about that vs the revers implied odds of a higher flush... | you bluffed UTG with 22 BB's, what reverse implied odds?
Also, I still bet river, most 1 card flushes fold turn anyway so there's no need to let him bluff river since he's probablt gonna have a valuehand if he calls turn anyway
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Nov 14,2011, 03:36 PM
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#6 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~ you bluffed UTG with 22 BB's, what reverse implied odds?
Also, I still bet river, most 1 card flushes fold turn anyway so there's no need to let him bluff river since he's probably gonna have a value hand if he calls turn anyway | the reverse implied odds of someone have a nut flush already
but one card flushes will likely be combos with pair and straights even....
i was worried im losing value by seeing a river..
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Nov 14,2011, 04:12 PM
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Originally Posted by darbday the reverse implied odds of someone have a nut flush already
but one card flushes will likely be combos with pair and straights even....
i was worried im losing value by seeing a river.. | no point in worrying about things like that unless you have like 200 BB's. I'm probably stacking off at least 80 with a flush like this, you're not playing PLO. Shoving turn is bad, you miss value on the turn
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Nov 14,2011, 04:20 PM
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#8 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~ no point in worrying about things like that unless you have like 200 BB's. I'm probably stacking off at least 80 with a flush like this, you're not playing PLO. Shoving turn is bad, you miss value on the turn | made straights have to be able to fold then....
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Nov 14,2011, 04:28 PM
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Originally Posted by darbday made straights have to be able to fold then.... | but the probablity of them having made straights is less than the probability of a 1 pair hand
edit: or a draw for that matter
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Nov 15,2011, 12:09 PM
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IMO - this hand is a simple bet, bet, bet.
You put your hand in the cookie jar and managed to find a hero cookie. This flop is gin for your hand, so why are we checking here instead of building a pot.
I cbet flop about 2/3rds pot and jam turn. But without the cbet, you're now stuck hoping one other villain has hit hard enough to get your stack in. If you cbet the flop, your stack would probably be in here.
If you're behind, well....that's what we get for playing this hand. So just stick it in and hope they Qc is still in the deck.
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Nov 15,2011, 12:29 PM
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#11 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~ but the probability of them having made straights is less than the probability of a 1 pair hand
edit: or a draw for that matter | maybe ill throw some ranges out but i think that if we chop off all the hands that fold to any bet like under pairs and small scs.....i think we are left with alot of sets and qx and some one pair hands with the nut flush draw....
not sure if thats enough to justify not seeing a river...
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Nov 15,2011, 12:34 PM
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#12 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by HammerDad IMO - this hand is a simple bet, bet, bet.
You put your hand in the cookie jar and managed to find a hero cookie. This flop is gin for your hand, so why are we checking here instead of building a pot.
I cbet flop about 2/3rds pot and jam turn. But without the cbet, you're now stuck hoping one other villain has hit hard enough to get your stack in. If you cbet the flop, your stack would probably be in here.
If you're behind, well....that's what we get for playing this hand. So just stick it in and hope they Qc is still in the deck. | i agree to an extent but there some other considerations.....especially because im running really really loose people will flat monsters some times....also because im cbetting alot of pots in position with a weak range players will often jam with a semi bluff..float with air....and stuff like that.
so i think here im checkraising to rep a hand like aces hoping theres enough air in their range but i could also check flat a small bet because it looks super strong and jam most non club turns....
but mainly i don't want to cbet and call off vs a made hand....and i don't want weak hands to fold yet because if i can make my flush cheaply they might not be able to lay down.....
but to come to think of it i think i checked here because i knew they would bet for fear of a check raise
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Nov 15,2011, 04:37 PM
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super easy cbet get it in btw. doesn't matter if they shove made hands or air on you, really really easy bet get it in, the only reason to check is to widen their ranges
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Nov 15,2011, 04:48 PM
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#14 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~ the only reason to check is to widen their ranges | ya i agree...don't think cbet getting it in is the best ;p
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Nov 15,2011, 05:42 PM
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Originally Posted by darbday ya i agree...don't think cbet getting it in is the best ;p | I do since you said they suspect you have cbet-folds in your range
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