look for a better spot?

darbday · Oct 13,2010, 06:21 PM

as far as im concerned im ahead of this villains range....much ak/aq here and definetly some weird broadwayish.....normally id call this all day but im looking to pass some marginal stuff up for better spots these days......

insta fold? insta call?

PokerStars Game #51058678399: Tournament #320765786, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level V (75/150) - 2010/10/13 16:18:06 PT [2010/10/13 19:18:06 ET]
Table '320765786 17' 9-max Seat #5 is the button
Seat 1: Babblelonia (3146 in chips)
Seat 3: zagortenay71 (8990 in chips)
Seat 4: Djwibi (4931 in chips)
Seat 5: gfy04 (8316 in chips)
Seat 6: forboon (5684 in chips)
Seat 7: notaboos (3139 in chips)
Seat 8: nico-alm (4265 in chips)
Seat 9: GqHesherBoy (4113 in chips)
forboon: posts small blind 75
notaboos: posts big blind 150
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Ac Ks]
nico-alm: folds
GqHesherBoy: raises 3963 to 4113 and is all-in
Babblelonia: folds
zagortenay71: folds
Djwibi: folds
gfy04: folds
forboon:

darbday · Oct 13,2010, 06:42 PM

awww ffs

PokerStars Game #51059625185: Tournament #320765786, $4.00+$0.40 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2010/10/13 16:40:40 PT [2010/10/13 19:40:40 ET]
Table '320765786 17' 9-max Seat #3 is the button
Seat 1: POLKOVNIK150 (11998 in chips)
Seat 2: carampok (10796 in chips)
Seat 3: zagortenay71 (10365 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 4: Djwibi (9812 in chips)
Seat 5: gfy04 (19946 in chips)
Seat 6: forboon (7609 in chips)
Seat 7: notaboos (5941 in chips)
Seat 8: nico-alm (5065 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: Lanin Vlad (10958 in chips)
POLKOVNIK150: posts the ante 25
carampok: posts the ante 25
zagortenay71: posts the ante 25
Djwibi: posts the ante 25
gfy04: posts the ante 25
forboon: posts the ante 25
notaboos: posts the ante 25
nico-alm: posts the ante 25
Lanin Vlad: posts the ante 25
Djwibi: posts small blind 125
gfy04: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Qc Qh]
forboon: raises 500 to 750
notaboos: folds
nico-alm: folds
Lanin Vlad: folds
POLKOVNIK150: raises 4750 to 5500
carampok: folds
zagortenay71: folds
Djwibi: folds
gfy04: folds
forboon: raises 2084 to 7584 and is all-in
POLKOVNIK150: calls 2084
*** FLOP *** [Kd 7s 9d]
*** TURN *** [Kd 7s 9d] [Th]
*** RIVER *** [Kd 7s 9d Th] [4d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
forboon: shows [Qc Qh] (a pair of Queens)
POLKOVNIK150: shows [7c 7h] (three of a kind, Sevens)
POLKOVNIK150 collected 15768 from pot
forboon finished the tournament in 34th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 15768 | Rake 0
Board [Kd 7s 9d Th 4d]
Seat 1: POLKOVNIK150 showed [7c 7h] and won (15768) with three of a kind, Sevens
Seat 2: carampok folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: zagortenay71 (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: Djwibi (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 5: gfy04 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 6: forboon showed [Qc Qh] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 7: notaboos folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: nico-alm folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: Lanin Vlad folded before Flop (didn't bet)

Wetts1012 · Oct 13,2010, 08:17 PM

Looking for better spots is the biggest mistakes people make.

The difference between profit and loss is so marginal u need to push every edge, no matter how small.

If you know youre ahead, even a bit, exploit it.

btw thats a really bad fold, if you folded. AQ/AK almost always.

darbday · Oct 13,2010, 08:32 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetts1012

Looking for better spots is the biggest mistakes people make.

The difference between profit and loss is so marginal u need to push every edge, no matter how small.

If you know youre ahead, even a bit, exploit it.

btw thats a really bad fold, if you folded. AQ/AK almost always.

ok i will trust that....and given your explanation then yes i knew it was a bad fold.....been reading some T. guerrara on edge needed for certain roi.....if you don't play that way then i won't....need tkpbtn book to reference and discuss...but maybe not needed....

it was you guys hammering into me to take any edge...so ive been doing it....but thinking i should be makin more......

i love amanda lang

thx

ps what do you know.....

darbday · Oct 13,2010, 08:33 PM

pss i think he shows jt as much as ak was a total snap call

Wetts1012 · Oct 13,2010, 08:44 PM

Now if some old dude open ships 30 bigs in a live game we have a different conversation. Edges are much different there and Im not sure if Guerrera was referencing live or online play. In online play because basically the majority of the table is competent all edges need to be pushed.

darbday · Oct 13,2010, 08:53 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetts1012

Now if some old dude open ships 30 bigs in a live game we have a different conversation....

well we'd have a different range too .......book is mostly about online.....the chapter was on n-ups....double up etc. but it wasn't about being profitable it was about the edge needed for double ups to produce a higher roi...but in the same sentence talked about taking any edge you could get...little confusing...might have to ask him .....

Wetts1012 · Oct 13,2010, 08:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by darbday

well we'd have a different range too .......book is mostly about online.....the chapter was on n-ups....double up etc. but it wasn't about being profitable it was about the edge needed for double ups to produce a higher roi...but in the same sentence talked about taking any edge you could get...little confusing...might have to ask him .....

Yea theres a few different philosophies out there and I think each author has his own take, but it basically boils down to those that argue tournament life is paramount and those that argue pushing edges is trump.

old guy is like KK+ always here.

compuease · Oct 13,2010, 09:05 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Wetts1012

old guy is like KK+ always here.

F***, not this old guy, ship 30BBB with KK+ ? What a waste...

You really thought I had KK+ ?

darbday · Oct 13,2010, 10:44 PM

and amanda lang?

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