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May 27,2011, 04:19 PM
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#1 | | I got my flippy floppies!
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| M or BB?
Which pushbot charts do you use...or which method of determining do you use?
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May 27,2011, 04:40 PM
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Wierd question. M takes antes into account and is more accurate. I'm still having trouble with a bunch of spots tho. Like A7 post antes with 4-5 players left to act with like 14-15 BB's or QK A10 type hands from the HJ with 20 bb's and stuff
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May 27,2011, 06:56 PM
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#3 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~  Wierd question. M takes antes into account and is more accurate. I'm still having trouble with a bunch of spots tho. Like A7 post antes with 4-5 players left to act with like 14-15 BB's or QK A10 type hands from the HJ with 20 bb's and stuff | m is not more accurate....im sure of it....fairly
and i don't understand how you could have trouble with the nash calculator out there... 
my shove charts are nash on a spreadsheet....
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May 28,2011, 03:10 AM
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Originally Posted by darbday m is not more accurate....im sure of it....fairly
and i don't understand how you could have trouble with the nash calculator out there...
my shove charts are nash on a spreadsheet.... | my shove charts are in my head pretty much, I try to run the update operator as often as I can though.
And M needs to be more correct. You don't really want to use your BB rules if everyone is sitting with 3k stacks, blinds are 100/200 and there are 10k antes in the middle lol
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May 28,2011, 09:15 AM
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#5 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~ my shove charts are in my head pretty much, I try to run the update operator as often as I can though.
And M needs to be more correct. You don't really want to use your BB rules if everyone is sitting with 3k stacks, blinds are 100/200 and there are 10k antes in the middle lol | ok ok, is the update operator in your head to or am i missing something cool and important.
as for antes...ya you have to consider them somehow....if you don't then yes bbs would be way off.
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May 28,2011, 03:11 PM
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M > BB. Make ur own charts if you actually want an edge.
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May 28,2011, 03:18 PM
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#7 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Vekked M > BB. | explain please... Quote:
Originally Posted by Vekked M > BB. Make ur own charts if you actually want an edge. | ..i feel like i would lose my edge....
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May 28,2011, 03:18 PM
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#8 | | Inhumano Forboon! |
maybe we should play what do your shove charts say to do...
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May 28,2011, 03:25 PM
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M accounts for antes and varying ante sizes more than BB does. So if you use BB, you have to think of "what do I shove 10BB no antes? what do I shove 10BB FTP antes? what do I shove 10BB stars antes?" or just make a bunch of mistakes assuming it's all similar. With M 5M is going to be roughly the same or a lot closer no matter what. It does vary like 3-4% total in some spots but it's close enough for sure.
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May 28,2011, 03:34 PM
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#10 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Vekked M > BB. Make ur own charts if you actually want an edge. | what would i base my shoves on?....hand history?
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May 28,2011, 03:41 PM
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#11 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Vekked M accounts for antes and varying ante sizes more than BB does. | ok ok....im assuming antes has its own bb charts....
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May 28,2011, 03:44 PM
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Originally Posted by darbday what would i base my shoves on?....hand history? | What do you mean?
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May 28,2011, 03:48 PM
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#13 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Vekked What do you mean? | how do i come up with the numbers?
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May 28,2011, 08:19 PM
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Assign calling ranges based on experience, figure out what you can shove based on those ranges
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May 28,2011, 08:33 PM
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#15 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Vekked Assign calling ranges based on experience, figure out what you can shove based on those ranges | and here i was thinking you didn't know to teach learning.
and here i was ready to pm y'all about my next thing to sink my teeth into
last time we discussed this my protest was that sit n go wizard doesn't use the same formula that nash does for hand strength.....and it doesn't let you pick individual hands...but since then ive come to see that nash beta does...
thx.
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