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Jan 08,2012, 01:05 AM
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#16 | | Wannabe a Xuan Liu!
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What about adjusting the BB for the antes? For example, if the blind level is 100/200 + 25 ante with ten players, what Colin Moshman, hotjenny314, zerosum79, etc. do is add 2/3 of the total antes to the BB to get the effective number of big blinds, e.g., (25 * 10) * 2/3 + 200 = 367 effective BB instead of the inaccurate 200 BB.
I configured a custom statistic in PokerTracker so I use this adjusted BB in my HUDs, including my highly customized HUD for heads-up play. Quote:
Originally Posted by Vekked  M accounts for antes and varying ante sizes more than BB does. So if you use BB, you have to think of "what do I shove 10BB no antes? what do I shove 10BB FTP antes? what do I shove 10BB stars antes?" or just make a bunch of mistakes assuming it's all similar. |
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Jan 08,2012, 06:08 AM
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#17 | | PFC Asshole and Commander
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Originally Posted by BlondeFish I configured a custom statistic in PokerTracker so I use this adjusted BB in my HUDs, including my highly customized HUD for heads-up play. | Does this stat still have some issues with new tables / blind chnages?
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Jan 08,2012, 06:18 AM
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Originally Posted by BlondeFish (25 * 10) * 2/3 + 200 = 367 effective BB instead of the inaccurate 200 BB. | really? it's that big a difference? I mean it makes sense but thta's pretty huge
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Jan 08,2012, 10:22 AM
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Why not just use M ? It seems like more math to use the above method.
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Jan 08,2012, 10:56 AM
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#20 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by djgolfcan Why not just use M ? It seems like more math to use the above method. | you must not use M
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Jan 08,2012, 11:28 AM
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#21 | | Full PFC Member | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday you must not use M | While I usually appreciate short answers, I believe this should be expanded on with a why.
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Jan 08,2012, 11:31 AM
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Originally Posted by djgolfcan While I usually appreciate short answers, I believe this should be expanded on with a why. | because 
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Jan 08,2012, 11:32 AM
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#23 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by djgolfcan While I usually appreciate short answers, I believe this should be expanded on with a why. | just suggest your biased 
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Jan 08,2012, 12:10 PM
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i use M. i have it on my HUD. i just find it much easier to relate to than BBs.
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Jan 09,2012, 12:38 PM
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Live, I use BB for when my stack is over 30bb and M for when I get lower than 30bb. I find it a nice balance of not having to over think and calculate too much.
Online, when I had a HUD, I used M.
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Jan 13,2012, 06:50 AM
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#26 | | Wannabe a Xuan Liu!
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Do any HEM users use its "Tourney Adj BB" stat? Does it use the same formula I use (BB + 2/3 of total antes)? Quote:
Originally Posted by Hobbes Does this stat still have some issues with new tables / blind chnages? | Yes, PT & HEM don't use real-time stats so their so-called "live" stats are actually from the previous hand history. The ideal poker software would improve upon the real-time stats of programs such as Holdem/Tournament Indicator and combine them with the comprehensive database features of PT4/HM2.
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Jan 13,2012, 06:55 AM
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Originally Posted by BlondeFish What about adjusting the BB for the antes? For example, if the blind level is 100/200 + 25 ante with ten players, what Colin Moshman, hotjenny314, zerosum79, etc. do is add 2/3 of the total antes to the BB to get the effective number of big blinds, e.g., (25 * 10) * 2/3 + 200 = 367 effective BB instead of the inaccurate 200 BB. | This could be a valid option, when I get home I'll run some numbers and see how accurate effective BB is.
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Jan 17,2012, 04:14 PM
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Originally Posted by HammerDad Live, I use BB for when my stack is over 30bb and M for when I get lower than 30bb. I find it a nice balance of not having to over think and calculate too much.
Online, when I had a HUD, I used M. | Pretty much this. Not going by M when you're short is silly because different tournaments can have wildly differing sizes of antes, and this must be accounted for.
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Jan 24,2012, 05:43 PM
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BBs for sure way, easier to calculate when multitabling and when antes are introduced.
And push charts? lol how bout some good old fashioned brain power? I think if we need to use push charts for calculating BB's/M than we have bigger leaks in our game then deciding whether to use M or BB.
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Jan 24,2012, 06:14 PM
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#30 | | Full PFC Member
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Originally Posted by BlondeFish
I configured a custom statistic in PokerTracker so I use this adjusted BB in my HUDs, including my highly customized HUD for heads-up play.
| I want to know about this. proprietary or would you be willing to share?
my HU game is lacking something for sure. way too many seconds
Last edited by SuitedPair; Jan 24,2012 at 06:18 PM.
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