djgolfcan

I'm talking buy-ins under $20

Is there any point in trying to read players or put them on a range ?

PokerStars Game #70883208852: Tournament #547010967, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (50/100) - 2011/11/20 22:09:54 ET
Table '547010967 242' 9-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: lapada25 (6000 in chips)
Seat 2: djgolfcan (6380 in chips)
Seat 3: ngabush1 (3010 in chips)
Seat 4: vitalikto (4663 in chips)
Seat 5: linxmom (6406 in chips)
Seat 6: Rubeenaizer (17328 in chips)
Seat 7: mcyepaaa (1980 in chips)
Seat 8: gavazmx (5277 in chips)
Seat 9: robmu (3079 in chips)
lapada25: posts the ante 10
djgolfcan: posts the ante 10
ngabush1: posts the ante 10
vitalikto: posts the ante 10
linxmom: posts the ante 10
Rubeenaizer: posts the ante 10
mcyepaaa: posts the ante 10
gavazmx: posts the ante 10
robmu: posts the ante 10
djgolfcan: posts small blind 50
ngabush1: posts big blind 100
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [Ah Kd]
vitalikto: folds
linxmom: folds
Rubeenaizer: folds
mcyepaaa: folds
gavazmx: folds
robmu: folds
lapada25: raises 300 to 400
djgolfcan: raises 800 to 1200
ngabush1: raises 1800 to 3000 and is all-in
lapada25: raises 2990 to 5990 and is all-in
djgolfcan: calls 4790
*** FLOP *** [4h Js 9d]
*** TURN *** [4h Js 9d] [7s]
*** RIVER *** [4h Js 9d 7s] [8h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djgolfcan: shows [Ah Kd] (high card Ace)
lapada25: shows [Qd Ac] (high card Ace - lower kicker)
djgolfcan collected 5980 from side pot
ngabush1: shows [Qs Kc] (high card King)
djgolfcan collected 9090 from main pot
lapada25 finished the tournament in 2364th place
ngabush1 finished the tournament in 2365th place

PokerStars Game #70883316092: Tournament #547010967, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (60/120) - 2011/11/20 22:14:15 ET
Table '547010967 242' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: Dlaguancha (1233 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 2: djgolfcan (15040 in chips)
Seat 3: UTG LIMP (2960 in chips)
Seat 4: vitalikto (4193 in chips)
Seat 5: linxmom (6196 in chips)
Seat 6: Rubeenaizer (17108 in chips)
Seat 7: mcyepaaa (4580 in chips)
Seat 8: gavazmx (4077 in chips)
Seat 9: robmu (3019 in chips)
Dlaguancha: posts the ante 15
djgolfcan: posts the ante 15
UTG LIMP: posts the ante 15
vitalikto: posts the ante 15
linxmom: posts the ante 15
Rubeenaizer: posts the ante 15
mcyepaaa: posts the ante 15
gavazmx: posts the ante 15
robmu: posts the ante 15
gavazmx: posts small blind 60
robmu: posts big blind 120
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to djgolfcan [Th As]
Dlaguancha: folds
djgolfcan: raises 240 to 360
UTG LIMP: raises 2585 to 2945 and is all-in
vitalikto: folds
linxmom: folds
Rubeenaizer: folds
mcyepaaa: folds
gavazmx: folds
robmu: folds
djgolfcan: calls 2585
*** FLOP *** [5d 2d 4h]
*** TURN *** [5d 2d 4h] [Ac]
*** RIVER *** [5d 2d 4h Ac] [Jd]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
djgolfcan: shows [Th As] (a pair of Aces)
UTG LIMP: shows [Ah 6h] (a pair of Aces - lower kicker)
djgolfcan collected 6205 from pot
UTG LIMP finished the tournament in 2281st place

Ordinarily I fold both these hands, thinking the other players are beating me or I'd be flipping at best. But in these instances, the players are so bad that I was ahead.

When you are playing against so many unknown players and rarelt the same ones, how can you assign ranges to any one in micro stakes ?

darbday

2nd one you can fold,the first is fine but you can fold too i think

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

reibs

I think it comes more from their play in that specific tournament, rather than play in the past. So basically Im not making any hero folds/calls in these games due to my "reads". More using the reads to know who is a thinking player vs who is mashing buttons. Then adjust ranges appropriately. <---Something I struggle with.

If we dont assign ranges, then what do we do Like I guarantee the guy who stacked off w KQ did something (prob many things) in that game that would have tipped me off that he was not a winning reg, and more likely a spastic fishy. Then when you see that, throw a quick note, even just apply a colour note to him...

I think most of the time at micros, you just need to account for a MASSIVE spaz factor if you dont have any notes and its a random.

darbday

I think this is what btp has been yelling at me for a year now...

Eq.
Hand 0: 50.106% { AKo }
Hand 1: 49.894% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }


now thats a very strong range and I think its way to tight (your hand here shows that too), but even here we can snap call, and in reality we are always doing better vs. villain range because we know he shows up with worse sometimes as well.

equity
Hand 0: 25.953% { ATo }
Hand 1: 74.047% { JJ+, AQs+, AQo+ }

Ato vs that same range doesn't do nearly as well, keep in mind tho thats just the nutted part of his range but in order to feel comfortable about a call....hes going to have to be quite wide.....


equity win
Hand 0: 48.118% { ATo }
Hand 1: 51.882% { 77+, A2s+, K9s+, QTs+, JTs, A8o+, KQo }


so we can't ever know what a randoms range is, or sometimes a fishy player we've played 200 hands with even, but if we look at the ranges on stove a lot of time we are able to make a fairly clear decision even though we can't have any confidence in our ranges.

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.