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Oct 31,2011, 11:35 AM
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#1 | | Inhumano Forboon! | more funish....
hero with about 25 bbs ep/mp antes in play now......
hero 2.2x's 36s same villain (well covers me) in other hand min raises from mp/lp....im used to folding oop but can i flat this ?
not much info im giving but its more of a generally question....
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Oct 31,2011, 01:28 PM
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#2 | | The Ninja
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With 25bbs I would be tighter and not raise these types of hands from mp, only lp, exactly because of these situations.
In regards to the question, if you flat you will be left w/ 20bb's and oop. For the most part needing to hit the flop as villain (well covers you) will c bet putting you into a position of push/fold as you won't be able to chase w/ your stack.
So really I would ask myself what range would he do this with pre and knowing that is it worth getting involved knowing how hard you need to hit the flop for it to be profitable?
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Nov 01,2011, 03:57 AM
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I like to fold twice in this hand. You're really handcuffed by your stacksize, #s of players behind and the craptasticness of 36s which makes me like an openmuck. Once you've opened + been 3bet you win the pot such a tiny % of the time oop that you are far better off folding instead of throwing more good $ in after bad
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Nov 01,2011, 11:16 AM
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#4 | | Inhumano Forboon! |
did i mention im sooooted tho 
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Nov 01,2011, 12:02 PM
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with 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it
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Nov 01,2011, 06:10 PM
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#6 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~  with 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it | what if were pretty confident that no one will exploit it.....and the we have the type of image of a begginer nit....
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Nov 01,2011, 06:11 PM
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#7 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Richard~ with 25 BBs I can't really fault any open from this kind of position unless someone is going to exploit it | sorry just to reiterate to all the question is...can we flat pre ever? 
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Nov 01,2011, 07:03 PM
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sure you can, the rest is up to you though
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Nov 02,2011, 12:33 AM
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Originally Posted by darbday sorry just to reiterate to all the question is...can we flat pre ever? | If we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not?
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Nov 02,2011, 02:05 AM
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#10 | | Banned
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Why do u want to play oop tho
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Nov 02,2011, 04:12 AM
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Originally Posted by Scotty12 If we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not? | Indeed we do imo, I'm not folding for 1,2 BB's
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Nov 02,2011, 05:31 AM
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#12 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Scotty12 If we want to put more $ in the pot to check / lose a ton of boards then sure! Why not? | i want to stop here and say i agree and respect your posts...don't ever stop...ima rail you and others on this situation and topic tho.
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Nov 02,2011, 07:52 AM
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his minraise smells like a fairly strong AJish hand who wants to iso your in his eyes supoer small open. Not matter how you want to play it out postflop your stack is 20x your investment which is good enough implied odds for most situations
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Nov 07,2011, 11:50 AM
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Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy
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Nov 07,2011, 12:13 PM
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#15 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by ryanghall Whyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy | because i play micro 180's and its a profitable open....i had a really tight image. knowing a lot of players are tightening up at this point i felt like it was a good spot....i can easily fold to any 3bet but ive never been min raised back....
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