Perfect set minning hh question....

darbday · Nov 26,2011, 11:57 AM

def. glad this happened......ep raiser is very fishy and sizing is def strength....(not the size but my read on 140 or so hands)

Poker Stars, $2.02 + $0.20 NL Hold'em Tournament, 2,500/5,000 Blinds, 500 Ante, 9 Players

SB: 94,400
JodaB. (BB): 84,820
UTG: 55,050
UTG+1: 71,598
UTG+2: 96,420
MP1: 340,355
MP2: 56,960
CO: 312,775
BTN: 58,010

Pre-Flop: (12,000) 5

5

dealt to JodaB. (BB)
UTG folds, UTG+1 raises to 15,000, UTG+2 folds, MP1 calls 15,000, MP2 folds, CO calls 15,000, 2 folds, JodaB. calls 10,000

jdAA88 · Nov 30,2011, 04:30 PM

someone answer this plz! lol I rly wanna know what the correct play is here.

Richard~ · Nov 30,2011, 05:24 PM

easy fold pre? nowhere near deep eough. When I play pairs for value other than setvalue I generally fold when two overcards hit on the flop, and the ep bet might already be too tight to play this for value

Edit: misread this a bit. If it's strength you're definitely folding, you only have one way to win postflop

trigs · Nov 30,2011, 05:41 PM

i'd fold this thinking i'm not deep enough to set mine.

darbday · Nov 30,2011, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

you only have one way to win postflop

i think youve been over playing your pairs oop ...

how much are we looking for here...? cause i think were getting it provided we can stack one out of 3 opponents....

Richard~ · Nov 30,2011, 06:00 PM

lol, we have 3 opponents? ^^' first I read this as one opponent, then as 2 and now as 3. Still, our hand is useless, I don't think implied odds justifies calling off this much of our stack pre

My instinct tells me that if we can't shove this stack, we can't call this stack

darbday · Nov 30,2011, 06:07 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

lol, we have 3 opponents? ^^' first I read this as one opponent, then as 2 and now as 3. Still, our hand is useless, I don't think implied odds justifies calling off this much of our stack pre

My instinct tells me that if we can't shove this stack, we can't call this stack

lets make sure your reading it right firs then lol

theres 12 bbs in the pot and it costs 2 to call.. utg 3x'd and there are 2 others in the pot.....

we are 16 ish bbs deep

how much implied odds do we want?

compuease · Nov 30,2011, 08:13 PM

To me this is one of those "special" situations.. Almost have odds to call just on pot odds but implied are not huge since we are not deep. However, given that villians are deeper than hero and we're pretty sure to almost triple up if we hit our set on the flop (1 in 8). I call but check fold if we miss flop.
Did anyone understand that?

philliivey · Nov 30,2011, 08:50 PM

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Originally Posted by compuease

To me this is one of those "special" situations.. Almost have odds to call just on pot odds but implied are not huge since we are not deep. However, given that villians are deeper than hero and we're pretty sure to almost triple up if we hit our set on the flop (1 in 8). I call but check fold if we miss flop.
Did anyone understand that?

Yup!

betrthanphil · Dec 01,2011, 09:15 AM

fold, fold, fold. When your stack is this size the only pots you should be playing are the ones your in control of, throwing away 10k for a hope and a dream really isnt wise here. If your looking at implied odds, well you shouldnt be with this size stack, if the whole table called you should still fold. Even when you hit your set 1 in 8, your not gonna win the hand every time. Jam 99+ and fold all smaller pairs imo

darbday · Dec 01,2011, 10:00 AM

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Originally Posted by betrthanphil

fold, fold, fold. When your stack is this size the only pots you should be playing are the ones your in control of, throwing away 10k for a hope and a dream really isnt wise here. If your looking at implied odds, well you shouldnt be with this size stack, if the whole table called you should still fold. Even when you hit your set 1 in 8, your not gonna win the hand every time. Jam 99+ and fold all smaller pairs imo

how much implied odds do you need though......where is my cut off? cause even if this one is obvious I want to change the parameters and understand it....Jules does too

Richard~ · Dec 01,2011, 12:09 PM

I mean I probably like a call with this stack if we have direct or very close to direct odds for a set, that's probably 1 or two more callers. Also, what makes sense then is to shove any flop you hit

betrthanphil · Dec 01,2011, 12:12 PM

I wouldnt be calling with less the 40bb for sure! Id feel good about it with 60 or more bbs though. This isnt math backed up or anything, just my own philosophy. I know what I like to do with my chips, and with less than 20bb the last thing Im gonna do is put 10% of my stack in praying to hit a set vs 3 other opponents, while hoping they dont flop a bigger set or some other fun hand that my set wouldnt be good enough. Just doesnt seem profitable in my opinion

darbday · Dec 01,2011, 12:14 PM

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Originally Posted by betrthanphil

....just my own philosophy

omg he said it.!!!!

Vekked · Dec 04,2011, 07:07 PM

Meh it's really close. I'd probably call and fold if any shorter. We're getting 5.5:1 on our money vs. 3 ratards, and 8:1 implied. If we're setmining vs. player 1 getting 20:1, 13.5:1 is going to be close when we throw in 2 more droolers.

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Originally Posted by Richard~

If it's strength you're definitely folding, you only have one way to win postflop

errr... that's kind of the point of setmining/determining setmining odds. You want to setmine if they're strong, and you assume that you're only continuing with a set...