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Old Nov 18,2011, 11:49 AM   #1
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QQ in 3 bet pot

Do we bet on the flop here This guy was running 46/8 thru first 13 hands with no 3 bets.

Poker Stars, $4 + $0.40 NL Hold'em Tournament, 15/30 Blinds, 8 Players
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MP2: 4,368
Hero (CO): 3,255
BTN: 2,550
SB: 2,970
BB: 2,055
UTG: 3,000
UTG+1: 2,910
MP1: 3,000

Pre-Flop: (45) Q Q dealt to Hero (CO)
3 folds, MP2 calls 30, Hero raises to 120, BTN folds, SB calls 105, BB raises to 525, MP2 folds, Hero calls 405, SB folds

Flop: (1,200) 9 6 3 (2 Players)
BB checks, Hero
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Old Nov 18,2011, 11:53 AM   #2
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hero 4bets pre....

hero bets flop..something ak aq kq will float.....

hero jams on check raise.
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Old Nov 18,2011, 12:17 PM   #3
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hero 4bets pre....

hero bets flop..something ak aq kq will float.....

hero jams on check raise.

Hmmm, 4 bet was my first thoughts, but since its early and I haven't splashed around much yet I figured that I would get a lot of respect for a 4 bet, and mostly all the hands I crush will fold.

On flop, do we try to make any sense of why he wouldnt cbet? This is something that baffles me sometimes cus most ppl cbet outrageously wide these days. I did bet (small), and he did check jam. Def did not have what I expected him to have with that line though.
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Old Nov 18,2011, 12:35 PM   #4
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I def. 4 bet preflop, the players in these 180man SNGs are terrible. He'd probably jam with any pokcet pair, hoping for a flip. On a 9 high flop, I'm looking to get it in here. There's always another $4.50 starting up in a few minutes.

If you lose the hand, its a cooler.
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Old Nov 18,2011, 12:39 PM   #5
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Def did not have what I expected him to have with that line though.
naw he can checkraise everything under the sun....flop doesn't really change your equity from pre though...im gettting it in all the same
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Old Nov 18,2011, 01:05 PM   #6
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naw he can checkraise everything under the sun....flop doesn't really change your equity from pre though...im gettting it in all the same
flop changes our equity from pre <.<
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I def. 4 bet preflop, the players in these 180man SNGs are terrible. He'd probably jam with any pokcet pair, hoping for a flip. On a 9 high flop, I'm looking to get it in here. There's always another $4.50 starting up in a few minutes.

If you lose the hand, its a cooler.
This. So many of what I like to call 3-tards (Oh look I have an Ace ) will call too.
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Old Nov 18,2011, 01:24 PM   #8
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flop changes our equity from pre <.<
yup...what i mean tho ...is does it make you want to fold to a check raise?
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Old Nov 18,2011, 01:28 PM   #9
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yup...what i mean tho ...is does it make you want to fold to a check raise?
yeah not ever folding this.... more or less was wondering if Im folding too many of his hands by 4 betting. Just want to make sure im getting enough value from these hands... is all.

Dj, this is not a 180. its an mtt - but w/e

anyways he showed up with T6s
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Old Nov 18,2011, 01:38 PM   #10
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I def. 4 bet preflop, the players in these 180man SNGs are terrible. He'd probably jam with any pokcet pair, hoping for a flip. On a 9 high flop, I'm looking to get it in here. There's always another $4.50 starting up in a few minutes.

If you lose the hand, its a cooler.
Ya not worried about the result. Helps that I held though

also about this - a 4 bet pre is a jam here imo. Villian only started the hand with 2k and already put in a 1/4 of that. I guess that helps the argument for 4 bet jamming since hes likely feeling committed most of the time.

I think I just reviewed this hand and thought, man Ive been jamming these spots for a while. I wonder how often they have T6s and just fold to my jam?
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yup...what i mean tho ...is does it make you want to fold to a check raise?
nope ^^'
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Old Nov 18,2011, 02:12 PM   #12
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naw he can checkraise everything under the sun....flop doesn't really change your equity from pre though...im gettting it in all the same
really? He has about zero fold equity?

After he checked, I bet flop for like ~450, and he jammed his 1500....
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really? He has about zero fold equity?

After he checked, I bet flop for like ~450, and he jammed his 1500....
yup for sure...

spit out his pre flop range....


and his cr range ....


lets look at that...?
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Old Nov 18,2011, 02:28 PM   #14
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yup for sure...

spit out his pre flop range....


and his cr range ....


lets look at that...?
k give me a few hrs, will do this from home.
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yup for sure...

spit out his pre flop range....


and his cr range ....


lets look at that...?
His ACTUAL range is ATC...do you mean his perceived range or a solid player's range?
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