same hand same villain...

darbday · Jul 22,2010, 08:52 PM

First this happened......

Full Tilt Poker Game #22520818905: Daily Dollar (169375891), Table 464 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:44:48 ET - 2010/07/22
Seat 1: slhasty (4,450)
Seat 2: forboon (1,985)
Seat 3: Donk2Stallion (5,320)
Seat 4: colaking999 (11,460)
Seat 5: mirabo77 (6,825)
Seat 6: Moysha67 (2,100), is sitting out
Seat 7: Hogie57 (2,240)
Seat 8: Digital_Mafia1 (8,795)
Seat 9: gbaby123 (5,760), is sitting out
Donk2Stallion posts the small blind of 80
colaking999 posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Ac Jc]
mirabo77 has 15 seconds left to act
mirabo77 folds
Moysha67 folds
Hogie57 folds
Digital_Mafia1 folds
gbaby123 folds
slhasty calls 160
forboon raises to 1,985, and is all in
Donk2Stallion folds
colaking999 folds
slhasty folds
Uncalled bet of 1,825 returned to forboon
forboon mucks
forboon wins the pot (560)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 560 | Rake 0
Seat 1: slhasty folded before the Flop
Seat 2: forboon (button) collected (560), mucked
Seat 3: Donk2Stallion (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: colaking999 (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 5: mirabo77 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: Moysha67 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: Hogie57 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Digital_Mafia1 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 9: gbaby123 didn't bet (folded)

Then as i was sure the others would fold and I'd be heads up vs villain....

Full Tilt Poker Game #22520830467: Daily Dollar (169375891), Table 464 - 80/160 - No Limit Hold'em - 21:45:22 ET - 2010/07/22
Seat 1: slhasty (4,290)
Seat 2: forboon (2,385)
Seat 3: Donk2Stallion (5,240)
Seat 4: colaking999 (11,300)
Seat 5: mirabo77 (6,825)
Seat 6: Moysha67 (2,100), is sitting out
Seat 7: Hogie57 (2,240)
Seat 8: Digital_Mafia1 (8,795)
Seat 9: gbaby123 (5,760), is sitting out
colaking999 posts the small blind of 80
mirabo77 posts the big blind of 160
The button is in seat #3
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [Jd Ad]
Moysha67 folds
Hogie57 folds
Digital_Mafia1 folds
gbaby123 folds
slhasty calls 160
forboon raises to 400
Donk2Stallion folds
colaking999 folds
mirabo77 folds
slhasty raises to 4,290, and is all in
forboon has 15 seconds left to act
forboon has requested TIME
forboon

does he have me raising light...or was he trapping me....hes is 62/11 over 74 hands...so....

Vekked · Jul 23,2010, 03:34 PM

Should jam again unelss you're trying to induce someone to play back... I'd probably call with the brief history.

darbday · Jul 23,2010, 04:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

Should jam again unelss you're trying to induce someone to play back... I'd probably call with the brief history.

i'd agree but with such soft players if they raise i can count on them having top hands. with this guy i expected him to shove almost but chickened out after i thought about it. i think i shoulda called too...

Vekked · Jul 23,2010, 07:29 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

i'd agree but with such soft players if they raise i can count on them having top hands. with this guy i expected him to shove almost but chickened out after i thought about it. i think i shoulda called too...

You have an ace, and he's playing 62/11, so his range has to be rather weak. He's raising 11% of his hands (most likely his premiums most times), and has another 51% of w/e in his range that he could be spazzing with. His stats don't indicate someone who's likely to be limp trapping, unless it's {AA} and we have one of the four A's in the deck, so I call.

darbday · Jul 23,2010, 07:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

You have an ace, and he's playing 62/11, so his range has to be rather weak. He's raising 11% of his hands (most likely his premiums most times), and has another 51% of w/e in his range that he could be spazzing with. His stats don't indicate someone who's likely to be limp trapping, unless it's {AA} and we have one of the four A's in the deck, so I call.

i cannont believe i don't have his three bet stat posted. im sure it was small though. but his three bet range is likely alot tighter, countered with the fact that he probably has me on a weaker hand than the first one, even if he has little concept of the game, countered by the fact that he thinks ill likely fold.

i wish i called, its still a close one for me but i finally figured out how to represent hand ranges properly in poker stove...so i understand better.

Vekked · Jul 23,2010, 08:40 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

i cannont believe i don't have his three bet stat posted. im sure it was small though. but his three bet range is likely alot tighter, countered with the fact that he probably has me on a weaker hand than the first one, even if he has little concept of the game, countered by the fact that he thinks ill likely fold.

i wish i called, its still a close one for me but i finally figured out how to represent hand ranges properly in poker stove...so i understand better.

3-bet % doesn't mean much in this situation, it's pretty specific.

darbday · Jul 23,2010, 08:56 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

this situation, it's pretty specific.

ok i c then

DennisG · Jul 23,2010, 10:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

3-bet % doesn't mean much in this situation, it's pretty specific.

And 74 hands isn't gonna tell ya squat for 3 bet%

darbday · Jul 24,2010, 03:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DennisG

And 74 hands isn't gonna tell ya squat for 3 bet%

many times at this level a guy can have a 3bet % of like 10 or higher. his fav thing is to three. that would tell you lots.

DennisG · Jul 24,2010, 10:22 AM

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Originally Posted by darbday

many times at this level a guy can have a 3bet % of like 10 or higher. his fav thing is to three. that would tell you lots.

At a full table that is only 8ish orbits..and he isn't going to be in position to 3 bet (due to whatever factors) often enough (if this is his fav. thing to do) to be able to get a read on it...you are in a tourney..not cash.

-not saying it ISN'T a factor...just saying we need more hh to really tell

darbday · Jul 24,2010, 01:10 PM

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Originally Posted by DennisG

At a full table that is only 8ish orbits..and he isn't going to be in position to 3 bet (due to whatever factors) often enough (if this is his fav. thing to do) to be able to get a read on it...you are in a tourney..not cash.

-not saying it ISN'T a factor...just saying we need more hh to really tell

unless of course, its waaay outa whack in this small sample size...

Vekked · Jul 25,2010, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DennisG

And 74 hands isn't gonna tell ya squat for 3 bet%

Bayes theorem says you can deduce a bunch of info from a small sample depending on the numbers.

darbday · Jul 25,2010, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

Bayes theorem says you can deduce a bunch of info from a small sample depending on the numbers.

and in 74 hands a guy who three bets light will no doubt have found many hands to do it with.

Vekked · Jul 25,2010, 06:53 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

and in 74 hands a guy who three bets light will no doubt have found many hands to play to do it with.

*maybe*

darbday · Jul 25,2010, 07:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

*maybe*

*I'd bet on it*