darbday

ok actually apperently this is the hand in question i think?

theres 15 left here i believe....

this is a standard shove for me though i wouldn't dream of folding?


Poker Stars, $7.34 + $0.66 NL Hold'em Tournament, 800/1,600 Blinds, 150 Ante, 8 Players

UTG+1: 3,970
JodaB. (MP1): 33,990
MP2: 7,081
CO: 1,337
BTN: 13,511
SB: 7,980
BB: 6,150
UTG: 3,908

Pre-Flop: (3,600) 7 9 dealt to JodaB. (MP1)
2 folds, JodaB

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

GTA Poker

What's your shove range in this spot?

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darbday

it depends on some table conditions...anything from bw, pairs, aces and a few suited connectors.....to sometimes almost atc

depends on my image and who's left to act

but im playing almost pure chip ev with 15 left

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

djgolfcan

With the blinds as high as they are, any one of the short stacks behind you can call profitably, knowing that 10-18 make the same money. So why not try to double or even triple up ?

You already have the final table average stack, why risk so much on a marginal hand ?

darbday

yes but they don't play like that...they play tight here

its not really marginal in this spot i don't think..its debatable but with everyone calling so tight i think its a +ev push, and we're a far cry from first i think.

out of the stack likely to call most of them won't really put a dent in us. the bigger stack is going to be really tight.

and people who will call will often shove up with Ax or Kx or pairs and i think we have good equity because we aren't as often dominated compared to shovin a lesser ace

range will be close to this...


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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

betrthanphil

I don't like risking here when we don't need too. button shove sure....more profitable but from ep it can't be profitable....if so barely.

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Vekked

everyone after us has rat stacks with like 5BB except one 9BB, rip that shit, gotta be fine at this level. $215 turbo 2x chance you can fold maybe.

trigs

button, co, and maybe hj i'm pushing here. probably not sooner. granted i'm most likely thinking results because sb always has AA here.

Richard~

but...but...BB is almost guaranteed to call us for a flip. doesn't that make it a bit of a negative freeroll? Or do we expect fold equity at times here?

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reibs

shove is fine here imo, but I def miss these spots in game a lot I think.

And yes, you will get folds here sometimes from bb.

Vekked

def expect FE at this level unless he's a reg I guess

Richard~

aight, then shove away

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djgolfcan

What about the cut-off ? He has less than a BB, he has to call with anything, doesn't he ?
And our hand is not ahead of a random hand.

darbday

only if its btp's money tho

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

Cerberus

I'm totally out of my league here, but let me toss out a thought...

Buddy has <1BB, thus if everyone folds and he calls, we take down the difference between his stack and the BB, making it pretty much a free shot at busting him. You win, right on, life's good. You lose, no problem there either and he doesn't exactly have a new lease on life. Also, it allows you to shove the next monster and get snapped off by the 5-9BB stacks thinking you're bullying.

Or am I just totally out to lunch and off base here?

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