tough decision

m_dolens · May 25,2008, 06:01 PM

tough decision. what do you do here? results in white below.

NL Texas Hold'em Trny:40265927 Level:8 Blinds-Antes(400/800 -25) - Sunday, May 25, 18:32:45 ET 2008
Table $10K Gtd Rebuy (1432887) Table #11 (Real Money)
Seat 2 is the button
Total number of players : 9
Seat 5: to_heaven ( 27,910 )
Seat 8: scousewill ( 12,430 )
Seat 9: xU96x ( 17,040 )
Seat 10: trigs1 ( 37,714 )
Seat 2: raptors7777 ( 19,195 )
Seat 6: mille119 ( 57,612 )
Seat 3: tulpklomp ( 55,171 ) <-- huge donk; has pushed all in for huge bets multiple times already (preflop and post flop)
Seat 4: Royal_Ivan ( 32,281 ) <-- pretty tight passive overall; hasn't bet a flop yet
Seat 1: NepalCream ( 15,813 )
Trny:40265927 Level:8
Blinds-Antes(400/800 -25)
NepalCream posts ante [25]
raptors7777 posts ante [25]
tulpklomp posts ante [25]
Royal_Ivan posts ante [25]
to_heaven posts ante [25]
mille119 posts ante [25]
scousewill posts ante [25]
xU96x posts ante [25]
trigs1 posts ante [25]
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to trigs1 [ 4c 5c ]
to_heaven folds
mille119 folds
scousewill folds
xU96x folds
trigs1 raises [2,399]
NepalCream folds
raptors7777 folds
tulpklomp calls [1,999]
Royal_Ivan calls [1,599]
** Dealing Flop ** [ 3h, 2c, 9c ]
tulpklomp checks
Royal_Ivan checks
trigs1 bets [4,999]
tulpklomp is all-In [52,747]
Royal_Ivan is all-In [29,857]
trigs1: ?
trigs1 folds
** Dealing Turn ** [ 3d ]
grazy hands
** Dealing River ** [ Td ]
tulpklomp shows [ 9d, Qd ]two pairs, Nines and Threes.
Royal_Ivan shows [ Ac, Tc ]two pairs, Tens and Threes.

Hobbes · May 25,2008, 06:35 PM

Donk could be on a flush draw, but tight passive calls off his chips.
GET OUT OF THE WAY!!!!

Ercules · May 25,2008, 11:09 PM

I read the outcome before determining what I would do because I wanted to see if my reads was right. Turns out they both had almost exactly what I thought.
The rest in white as well to avoid giving anything away to the next poster(s)

I would have probably folded there because I was pretty sure I would be up against a higher flush draw taking away many outs. But since I know the outcome this reply is slightly biased...sorry... That wasn't much help was it

Pantsonfire · May 26,2008, 11:18 AM

For me, the key thing here is stack size. You have almost 50BBs. I fold 54 unless I have been ultra tight and there is a good chance of stealing the blinds.

As played, I see nothing wrong with folding here, even though in retrospect you gave up a fifth of your stack with 5 high. Also in retrospect, what about just checking behind this flop? If one of your non-flush straight cards comes in you are likely going to double up. I know people will look at that flop as a monster 15 out draw. But you really have 5 high and almost every other flush draw will make your hand a 6 outer.

Let's say you have 20BBs. You raise to 3.5BB and get two callers. Pot is 10.5BBs and your stack is 16.5BB. Check, check, shove. See how much easier that is?

m_dolens · May 26,2008, 01:38 PM

i was really looking to take down the blinds and if not i still had a nice drawing hand. got callers and hit a huge draw, which isn't too bad. push, push, and now i'm thinking i'm behind. it's nice and all to look back and think that i should have checked the flop, but i'm not going to argue for a more passive play simply because of the action behind me. it's not like i could expect that (except from the donk, but i probably would have called his all in; it was the second all in that eventually scared me away).

wader · May 26,2008, 02:25 PM

I think you played it perfect. I also think your flop bet is good, the only way Im checking here is if I'm 1st to act and then trying to get all the chips in on the flop.