woog30

Earlier this week in at Caesars Deep stack event, I got myself in tough position against an agressive player who played a number of pots. I had chipped up from 15000 starting to 40,000 by 3rd level when two players decided to go broke on AK on a flop of QJ4 rainbow vs my set of QQ's. The villian in the hand in question has shown a large range 47 suited, J10, etc and then AA and KK in two larger hands. When the hand in question comes into play he has about 50,000 in chips I have roughly 40,000 average is about 17,000 and he is sitting directly to my right and has reraised in several spots already.

Villian limps in position 1 for 400, I have AK and raise to 1600, everybody folds to limper who calls, nearing the end of level 4. Flop comes A 10 4 HH and villian leads for 1800 which was not uncommon for him to lead, I decide to call trying to control pot size, the turn comes a K H and the villian checks, I bet 5000 think villian is done with pot and I get check raised to 15000. After a long time, I decide to lay the hand down, my thinking was that why would the villian play that aggressive and pretty close to committing himself to calling me if I push, against the only player who could hurt his stack at the table. I also didn't think I could just call with 3 hearts on the board and I would face a tough situation on river.

Your thoughts on my thought process would be greatly appreciated.

PS My tournament pretty much ended about 2 hands latter in BB 300/600 I called a raise out of BB with A9 suited, flop comes Q93 rainbow, check check, turn A, I check Villian bets 2400, I raise to 6200 villian goes all-in for 19,000 and I call. Villian shows AJ, river is a Q and villian says you re-raised me too many times...Way to go you got it all-in in level 5 when you have better than average stack with AJ when I had only shown significant hands, have just re-raised you, and had just shown that I laid down top 2.

Also the hand question the villian showed k10 off when I folded.

darbday

on a ace high board with an ep limper you may not want to control the pot size as there are so many ace-x hands that will force themselves to stack off. even if he flopped aces up like a4 you still have redraws, also many flush draws will stack off on that flop too, although not maybe ideal so early its ok i think.

but calling the flop donk is okay to but what is not okay is value betting the turn and then folding to a raise. first you need to know what you are going to do there before you put in your turn bet and he raises. there are many aces, two pair, and combo pair plus four flush draws that will re raise you so you can consider stacking off i think for sure, especially with an ep limper who donks alot.

but i think potting the turn (that was a pot size bet right?) is what really messed this up for you. id bet like 3750 or so into 5600 so i could call a raise and evalute the river which he he will usually check all marginal hands (non flushed hands) because of the strength you showed by calling.

but what ever you do, if you are betting top pair top kicker, getting raised and then asking wtf do i do now, then you are doing it wrong....


i do believe most of the upper players here would fast play the heck out of this hand on all streets though...

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

woog30

Pot was 7400 after flop.

darbday

ill adjust my bet size for that but can you break it down cause my math is off then...

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

woog30

Preflop - 1600 called plus blinds of 200/400 = 3800
Flop - 1800 called = 3600

darbday

yes totally missed some of that

i just feel weird about pot controlling the flop but building a pot on the turn, not that we can really check the turn back. but i do think we are good on the flop alot espicially with the heart draw and gut shots and weaker aces. Only thing we are worried about on the flop is AT.

I think and I could be wrong but theoreticallly we should be raising the flop with top pair top kicker on a drawy board. You could consider min raise calling it off on the flop but I realize you don't want to play for stacks here.

5000 is a fine sized bet although some how id still try and make it smaller so i could call a check raise but more importantly id try to keep in gut shots mid to bigger pp's and single heart flush draws knowing hes usually going to check all but his made flush hands to us on the river....

i expect if you called 10k he would check the river to us..if his raise was like to 8k or something it would be ideal.....maybe we can't size it that way but thats what id look for....

and sometimes ill check back that board or min raise the flop and check the turn to earn an extra bet from villains river bluff. limp callers especially those that donk love to bet any time you check after showing a little strength....

but ya this is a little bit of a spot i think....he hit one of five outs on the turn i think otherwise you may have picked up a decent pot...i don't think folding was crazy

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

Vekked

seems like a fold as played with no better info but raise that donk bet on the flop man, make it 5k to go or something, F pot control with that hand on that flop, he basically never leads a better hand and there are a lot of turns that suck for your hand. If you have the K of hearts then flatting is fine since less run outs are disastrous for your hand, but with no heart you can't just flat because you get put in awful spots like this one.