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Richard~ · Apr 15,2011, 04:24 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

but its too earlier to be able to 4 bet aqo, regardless if the table is 4betting to much

If they force us to adjust, we adjust. And not by turtling up and folding winners. I don't like 4 betting AQo either, but I don't like flatting OOP if I think we're ahead more often than not

darbday · Apr 15,2011, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

If they force us to adjust, we adjust. And not by turtling up and folding winners. I don't like 4 betting AQo either, but I don't like flatting OOP if I think we're ahead more often than not

but being ahead this deep in a 3bet pot isn't nearly as useful than later on. and depends on the pair they do this with we may not really be ahead of the range at all.....

Richard~ · Apr 15,2011, 06:44 PM

4 betting is uncomfortable at first but you get used to it sooner or later. it's a good general rule not to get into big pots preflop early on but if you see the spot you need to take it.

Most of the time AQ is a pretty clear bet-fold in this spot though

Vekked · Apr 17,2011, 02:03 AM

Yea just fold here. He's not really light ever unless he's some sicko to 3-bet bluff an EP raiser full-ring pre-antes. The value (like I think richard said) is in when fish flat with worse hands. If there are no fish, then the value is in having a bit more balanced range. Even still it's just a good hand mostly and I'm always just raising it for value, I even raise AJ a lot here at $50 level and under because people are so bad. I don't recommend you do it yet though, if you're not quite comfortable opening AQ.

Basically you're being a bit paranoid if you think you're getting exploited by raise/folding AQ here. They need you to fold ~2/3 of the time to exploit you by 3-bet bluffing. If your range is AQ+, 22+ that's (I'm not sure if you open 22-55 here or not, but just assuming for this example) 8.3% of hands. AK/JJ+ is 3% of hands so you're still continuing >1/3 of the time, thus them 3-bet bluffing you is -EV in a vacuum given this range.

So hopefully this puts you at ease knowing that even if they're bluffing you they're losing money in a vacuum (it could be profitable overall depending on how you react/play post flop, tho). If they're not bluffing you, they're just allowing you to play perfectly by folding AQ when they have AK.

Vekked · Apr 17,2011, 02:05 AM

I see 4-betting talk here... probably just avoid it unless you're certain you know the spot for it. Only 4-bet AQo when the person's value range is small and you're rarely (ideally never) seeing a flop.