What range do you do this with?

darbday · Jul 03,2010, 11:07 PM

My hud hasn't come up yet so i have nothing on anyone other than maybe the buy in amount.....

Full Tilt Poker Game #22064209666: $2 + $0.20 Tournament (170222328), Table 2 - 50/100 - No Limit Hold'em - 23:19:21 ET - 2010/07/03
Seat 1: SSD-639 (2,380)
Seat 2: forboon (2,160)
Seat 3: DEWEY MCDONK (4,655)
Seat 4: Ecoy (2,431)
Seat 5: paulbich (2,715)
Seat 6: BigBlooms (3,950)
Seat 7: pink salmon (2,260)
Seat 8: Nodman77 (2,680)
Seat 9: kiltwearer (3,580)
forboon posts the small blind of 50
DEWEY MCDONK posts the big blind of 100
The button is in seat #1
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to forboon [??,??]
Ecoy raises to 350
paulbich folds
BigBlooms folds
pink salmon folds
Nodman77 calls 350
kiltwearer calls 350
SSD-639 calls 350
forboon raises to 2,160, and is all in
DEWEY MCDONK folds
Ecoy has 15 seconds left to act
Ecoy folds
Nodman77 folds
kiltwearer folds
SSD-639 folds
Uncalled bet of 1,810 returned to forboon
forboon mucks
forboon wins the pot (1,850)
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 1,850 | Rake 0
Seat 1: SSD-639 (button) folded before the Flop
Seat 2: forboon (small blind) collected (1,850), mucked
Seat 3: DEWEY MCDONK (big blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 4: Ecoy folded before the Flop
Seat 5: paulbich didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: BigBlooms didn't bet (folded)
Seat 7: pink salmon didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: Nodman77 folded before the Flop
Seat 9: kiltwearer folded before the Flop

GTA Poker · Jul 04,2010, 12:16 AM

In a $2 likely only QQ+/AK..but I've never played these. I know in a $30 MTT today there was a 4 way all in pre for many many BBs with KJ>AA>Q9>some other crap, so I would expect to get called really light in your spot.

darbday · Jul 04,2010, 12:20 AM

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Originally Posted by GTA Poker

In a $2 likely only QQ+/AK

and your looser or tighter in higher stakes?

Richard~ · Jul 04,2010, 04:29 AM

it's not so much the cards you have as the percieved range of your opponents. A 350 open is fairly strong but the flats are almost never strength here. I could do it with a fairly wide range here as a bluff if I didn't think the open was strong

(also I probably don't have a flatting range here)

GTA Poker · Jul 04,2010, 07:05 AM

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Originally Posted by darbday

and your looser or tighter in higher stakes?

I don't play many holdem tournies at all. I'm just saying if people at $30 buyins shove and reshove in the 5th level with tonnes of bbs that I think that a steal in this spot is not the most profitable play. I would save my steals at this level for hu or 3 handed situations.

I'm sure some of the tourney players know better than I do though...I cold be completely wrong.

Wetts1012 · Jul 04,2010, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by GTA Poker

In a $2 likely only QQ+/AK.

Im shoving alot wider than this because there is already the equity in the pot to do so.

Probably 88+, AQ+.

The Highflyer · Jul 04,2010, 09:51 AM

I don't think that shoving is the right move in this situation. If you are trying to steal it is but is a risky move as the first raiser could easily call you, they could easily have raised with a very high quality hand. In the case that you do have a high quality hand you would not want to push everyone out of it, a commitment raise that may get 1 caller would be a more profitable play.

Vekked · Jul 04,2010, 11:29 AM

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Originally Posted by Wetts1012

Im shoving alot wider than this because there is already the equity in the pot to do so.

Probably 88+, AQ+.

About this, probably 99 though, 88 could be profitable too, not sure, would need to assign some ranges. HUD won't help much in this kinda spot.

Richard~ · Jul 04,2010, 12:10 PM

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Originally Posted by Wetts1012

Im shoving alot wider than this because there is already the equity in the pot to do so.

Probably 88+, AQ+.

I'm probably even wider than this unless I have a read that villain is really strong ^^'

GTA Poker · Jul 04,2010, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by The Highflyer

I don't think that shoving is the right move in this situation. If you are trying to steal it is but is a risky move as the first raiser could easily call you, they could easily have raised with a very high quality hand. In the case that you do have a high quality hand you would not want to push everyone out of it, a commitment raise that may get 1 caller would be a more profitable play.

Dude he only has a pot bet

Vekked · Jul 04,2010, 03:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

I'm probably even wider than this unless I have a read that villain is really strong ^^'

I feel like he should have 'something' since 3.5x raise seems to mean he has something he likes, whether that means he actually has something good or he's holding stuff he over values, but I think he rarely does this with garbage, or at least I wouldn't put that in his range until I saw otherwise.

Richard~ · Jul 04,2010, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

I feel like he should have 'something' since 3.5x raise seems to mean he has something he likes, whether that means he actually has something good or he's holding stuff he over values, but I think he rarely does this with garbage, or at least I wouldn't put that in his range until I saw otherwise.

I don't recall saying I did..

Vekked · Jul 04,2010, 05:01 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

I don't recall saying I did..

I guess I'm just saying that his raise size already indicates that he's not weak, so you don't really need a read that he's gonna have something here a lot.

Richard~ · Jul 05,2010, 05:20 AM

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Originally Posted by Vekked

I guess I'm just saying that his raise size already indicates that he's not weak, so you don't really need a read that he's gonna have something here a lot.

Yup, but we don't neccesarily need to have his hand beat to make this move +EV. The 350 open is kinder to us than the 250 open cause it puts less mathematical pressure on us imo. 350 is in no way a commiting open

Vekked · Jul 05,2010, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

Yup, but we don't neccesarily need to have his hand beat to make this move +EV. The 350 open is kinder to us than the 250 open cause it puts less mathematical pressure on us imo. 350 is in no way a commiting open

True, I don't think much wider is profitable though, pretty sure AJo and 66 would be spew, I dunno about AJs/77-88