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    Help me get away from these?

    Hand Number 1

    PokerStars Game #26925705334: Tournament #154729213, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2009/04/10 4:21:40 ET
    Table '154729213 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (1350 in chips)
    Seat 2: rale33 (1650 in chips)
    Quinner777: posts small blind 10
    rale33: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Quinner777 [Ks Kh]
    Quinner777: raises 20 to 40
    rale33: raises 40 to 80
    Quinner777: raises 120 to 200
    rale33: calls 120
    *** FLOP *** [2c 6h 3c]
    rale33: bets 200
    Quinner777: raises 200 to 400
    rale33: raises 1050 to 1450 and is all-in
    Quinner777: calls 750 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (300) returned to rale33
    *** TURN *** [2c 6h 3c] [9c]
    rale33 said, "GG"
    *** RIVER *** [2c 6h 3c 9c] [7s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    rale33: shows [5h 4h] (a straight, Three to Seven)
    Quinner777: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
    rale33 collected 2700 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2700 | Rake 0
    Board [2c 6h 3c 9c 7s]
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (button) (small blind) showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 2: rale33 (big blind) showed [5h 4h] and won (2700) with a straight, Three to Seven

    FYI I had been coming in for the min raise (as i like to) every hand on the button. This is to disguise my big hands, and give me a bit more pot when I have the button advantage.

    Hand number 2 Against same guy

    PokerStars Game #26925782875: Tournament #154730222, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2009/04/10 4:27:04 ET
    Table '154730222 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (1160 in chips)
    Seat 2: rale33 (1840 in chips)
    Quinner777: posts small blind 10
    rale33: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Quinner777 [9d Jc]
    Quinner777: raises 20 to 40
    rale33: raises 40 to 80
    Quinner777: calls 40
    *** FLOP *** [7s Qh 2h]
    rale33: checks
    Quinner777: checks
    *** TURN *** [7s Qh 2h] [Jh]
    rale33: checks
    Quinner777: bets 80
    rale33: calls 80
    *** RIVER *** [7s Qh 2h Jh] [9s]
    rale33: checks
    Quinner777: bets 220
    rale33: raises 500 to 720
    Quinner777: raises 280 to 1000 and is all-in
    rale33: calls 280
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Quinner777: shows [9d Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
    rale33: shows [Kh Tc] (a straight, Nine to King)
    rale33 said, "gg"
    rale33 collected 2320 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2320 | Rake 0
    Board [7s Qh 2h Jh 9s]
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (button) (small blind) showed [9d Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
    Seat 2: rale33 (big blind) showed [Kh Tc] and won (2320) with a straight, Nine to King

    I just never see these "non obvious" straights. And he got me twice! I'm pretty good at knowing when to fold when I know I'm beat, but neither time did I think he could have had me (especially the first time) and yet he nailed me twice with the same kind of hand. Help?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinner View Post
    Hand Number 1

    PokerStars Game #26925705334: Tournament #154729213, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2009/04/10 4:21:40 ET
    Table '154729213 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (1350 in chips)
    Seat 2: rale33 (1650 in chips)
    Quinner777: posts small blind 10
    rale33: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Quinner777 [Ks Kh]
    Quinner777: raises 20 to 40
    rale33: raises 40 to 80
    Quinner777: raises 120 to 200
    rale33: calls 120
    *** FLOP *** [2c 6h 3c]
    rale33: bets 200
    Quinner777: raises 200 to 400
    rale33: raises 1050 to 1450 and is all-in
    Quinner777: calls 750 and is all-in
    Uncalled bet (300) returned to rale33
    *** TURN *** [2c 6h 3c] [9c]
    rale33 said, "GG"
    *** RIVER *** [2c 6h 3c 9c] [7s]
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    rale33: shows [5h 4h] (a straight, Three to Seven)
    Quinner777: shows [Ks Kh] (a pair of Kings)
    rale33 collected 2700 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2700 | Rake 0
    Board [2c 6h 3c 9c 7s]
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (button) (small blind) showed [Ks Kh] and lost with a pair of Kings
    Seat 2: rale33 (big blind) showed [5h 4h] and won (2700) with a straight, Three to Seven

    FYI I had been coming in for the min raise (as i like to) every hand on the button. This is to disguise my big hands, and give me a bit more pot when I have the button advantage.

    Hand number 2 Against same guy

    PokerStars Game #26925782875: Tournament #154730222, $2.00+$0.20 Hold'em No Limit - Match Round I, Level I (10/20) - 2009/04/10 4:27:04 ET
    Table '154730222 1' 2-max Seat #1 is the button
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (1160 in chips)
    Seat 2: rale33 (1840 in chips)
    Quinner777: posts small blind 10
    rale33: posts big blind 20
    *** HOLE CARDS ***
    Dealt to Quinner777 [9d Jc]
    Quinner777: raises 20 to 40
    rale33: raises 40 to 80
    Quinner777: calls 40
    *** FLOP *** [7s Qh 2h]
    rale33: checks
    Quinner777: checks
    *** TURN *** [7s Qh 2h] [Jh]
    rale33: checks
    Quinner777: bets 80
    rale33: calls 80
    *** RIVER *** [7s Qh 2h Jh] [9s]
    rale33: checks
    Quinner777: bets 220
    rale33: raises 500 to 720
    Quinner777: raises 280 to 1000 and is all-in
    rale33: calls 280
    *** SHOW DOWN ***
    Quinner777: shows [9d Jc] (two pair, Jacks and Nines)
    rale33: shows [Kh Tc] (a straight, Nine to King)
    rale33 said, "gg"
    rale33 collected 2320 from pot
    *** SUMMARY ***
    Total pot 2320 | Rake 0
    Board [7s Qh 2h Jh 9s]
    Seat 1: Quinner777 (button) (small blind) showed [9d Jc] and lost with two pair, Jacks and Nines
    Seat 2: rale33 (big blind) showed [Kh Tc] and won (2320) with a straight, Nine to King

    I just never see these "non obvious" straights. And he got me twice! I'm pretty good at knowing when to fold when I know I'm beat, but neither time did I think he could have had me (especially the first time) and yet he nailed me twice with the same kind of hand. Help?
    1st hand is tough as it is hard to put him on anything on that board. But, if you had seen him calling with any 2 I would be weary of the re-raise. That seems to say that he really likes his hand and isn't going anywhere. Difficult board though as you probably put him on a flush draw or something. The other thing I don't like is your disguising big hands by min-raising every hand on the button. At those levels most players will cal a min raise with any 2 and thats what happened here. As the saying goes, min-raises cause cancer and it sure did here.

    2nd hand you have J9 and called a reraise preflop. Again, whats with this min-raising crap? It tells you nothing as almost anyone will call a min raise. Unless you are the one making the miracle river straight then proceed with caution on a hand like this. Why are you reraising him after he check raised you Did you expect to get him off what he is saying to be a big hand? So many hands beat you here and those extra chips could have been enough to make your comeback. 2 pair is not a good hand. I think the half-pot bet on the turn was pointless. It is too small and remember what happened preflop. He may have a Q or J in his hand with a better kicker. I think you either bet like 80% of pot to try and end it there and check the rest, or just check the turn. What if he was trapping with Qs, Js or pocket 7s?

    Whenever you get check raised take your time. Look at the board, think about the hand, and think what hands he might possibly have.

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