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Nov 20,2008, 03:45 PM
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#1 | | Official Poker***** Troll
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| What is my turn play?
I have around 30 hands on our villain. He already stacked off really light once when he called a turn shove with an awful flush draw. He is super aggro. Even for HU
Do we like shipping the turn here or would we rather let him bluff off his stack as he is first to act on the river?
Full Tilt Poker Game #9030153465: Table Fix (heads up) - $0.25/$0.50 - No Limit Hold'em - 20:31:44 ET - 2008/11/17
Seat 1: MisterJonL ($49.60)
Seat 2: IJackit ($95.45)
IJackit posts the small blind of $0.25
MisterJonL posts the big blind of $0.50
The button is in seat #2
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to IJackit [9s Qs]
IJackit raises to $1.50
MisterJonL calls $1
*** FLOP *** [8s Tc 3s]
MisterJonL checks
IJackit bets $2
MisterJonL raises to $6
IJackit has 15 seconds left to act
IJackit calls $4
*** TURN *** [8s Tc 3s] [Jd]
MisterJonL bets $15
IJackit has 15 seconds left to act
IJackit ??
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Nov 20,2008, 03:52 PM
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Do you call a shove is the spade comes?
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Nov 20,2008, 03:57 PM
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Originally Posted by WaterLooser  Do you call a shove is the spade comes? | Are you are asking if I will fold the river with the 3rd nuts while getting 3-1 on my money in a HU match against an aggro spewtard?
That would be a definitive NO
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Nov 20,2008, 04:32 PM
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So didn't you just answer your own question? This sounds like a slow-play/trap to me ...
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Nov 20,2008, 04:34 PM
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Whether you ship now or he ships the river - the hand is going to showdown.
So purely for the value of making him feel worse, I let him hang himself.
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Nov 20,2008, 05:04 PM
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Originally Posted by WaterLooser So didn't you just answer your own question? This sounds like a slow-play/trap to me ... |
My question is this. What makes me the most money?
There is very little that I am afraid of on the river and he should have a high percentage of shipping the river after chk/raising the flop and potting the turn
Am I more likely to get his money in the middle on the turn or on the river?
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Nov 20,2008, 06:22 PM
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now
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Nov 20,2008, 08:28 PM
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Originally Posted by pkrfce9 now | I agree.
-If a spade comes on the river he might, MIGHT, fold if he puts you on a naked flush draw. He's less likely to give you credit for completing your gutshot straight on the turn.
-If he is hyper aggressive and spewy he will most likely still call you with top pair or any two pair on the turn.
-It looks like he's trying to represent a decent holding and push you off a flush draw.
Therefore, get your money in on the turn. If he's on a complete steal you won't get called on either street. And judging by your read, if he has something decent, there isn't a whole lot he's probably afraid of on the turn so he will most likely call you.
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Nov 21,2008, 08:38 AM
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Originally Posted by cadillac He is super aggro. Even for HU
| I vote for calling. Super aggros don't call, and judging by your description he'll prob shove on the river regardless.
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Nov 21,2008, 09:28 AM
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[edit] I should have looked at the chip stacks before offering my opinion[/edit]
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Nov 21,2008, 09:45 AM
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Originally Posted by actyper I vote for calling. Super aggros don't call, and judging by your description he'll prob shove on the river regardless. |
That was my thought. Since he stacked off on a draw already shipping the turn should be an ok play but in the moment I felt calling was better.
Maniacs will often bet, bet, bet with everything until they get raised and then they fold. I felt like he might find a fold if I shoved but he would likely shove the river with anything.
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Nov 21,2008, 11:07 AM
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Originally Posted by cadillac That was my thought. Since he stacked off on a draw already shipping the turn should be an ok play but in the moment I felt calling was better.
Maniacs will often bet, bet, bet with everything until they get raised and then they fold. I felt like he might find a fold if I shoved but he would likely shove the river with anything. |
Exactly what I was thinking.
His range is huge here. No card on the river will scare you (it will only be a difference between calling and shoving, if that even), so no need to scare him out before the river.
If he's paying any attention, make it look like you're on a draw that you missed by just calling.
What ended up happening?
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