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Jan 17,2010, 02:15 AM
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#1 | | Inhumano Forboon! | am i too aggresive in final four
my though is if the other two fold im getting decent chips on a heads up random hand. all i know is the big stack will call any edge...a decent ace, any pair, maybe a decent suited king. if i fold i can make 80 bones if the ss goes out.
***** Hand History for Game 8815986925 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $1 USD Buy-in Trny:49630203 Level:24 Blinds-Antes(60,000/120,000 -3,000) - Sunday, January 17, 00:33:38 EST 2010
Table $1K Gtd Speed Rebuy (1834395) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: SilvCirca ( 725,304 )
Seat 3: champ50502 ( 2,796,920 )
Seat 9: hero ( 745,045 )
Seat 6: lokiiiii ( 75,231 )
Trny:49630203 Level:24
Blinds-Antes(60,000/120,000 -3,000)
SilvCirca posts ante [3,000]
champ50502 posts ante [3,000]
lokiiiii posts ante [3,000]
hero posts ante [3,000]
** Dealing down cards **
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Js Kd ]
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Jan 17,2010, 02:59 AM
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#2 | | comma man
Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Edmonton
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Originally Posted by darbday  my though is if the other two fold im getting decent chips on a heads up random hand. all i know is the big stack will call any edge...a decent ace, any pair, maybe a decent suited king. if i fold i can make 80 bones if the ss goes out.
***** Hand History for Game 8815986925 *****
NL Texas Hold'em $1 USD Buy-in Trny:49630203 Level:24 Blinds-Antes(60,000/120,000 -3,000) - Sunday, January 17, 00:33:38 EST 2010
Table $1K Gtd Speed Rebuy (1834395) Table #1 (Real Money)
Seat 1 is the button
Total number of players : 4
Seat 1: SilvCirca ( 725,304 )
Seat 3: champ50502 ( 2,796,920 )
Seat 9: hero ( 745,045 )
Seat 6: lokiiiii ( 75,231 )
Trny:49630203 Level:24
Blinds-Antes(60,000/120,000 -3,000)
SilvCirca posts ante [3,000]
champ50502 posts ante [3,000]
lokiiiii posts ante [3,000]
hero posts ante [3,000]
** Dealing down cards **
** Dealing down cards **
Dealt to hero [ Js Kd ] | um?
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Jan 17,2010, 03:03 AM
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#3 | | Banned
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Originally Posted by GTA Poker um? | +1
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Jan 17,2010, 05:02 AM
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#4 | | Semi-social nit
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Originally Posted by GTA Poker um? | ...see above.
it's a push/fold for the blinds and antes.
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Jan 17,2010, 05:09 AM
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It would suck to bust before the shorty. But you got 6BB left and this is a premium for your situation. Since this is a $1, I feel the other 750K stack will be pretty tight and the 2.7 mill stack may even fold to preserve his stack as well unless he has a top 10% hand. It's not even guaranteed the shorty will bust when its on him/her as well. Go fold the gold and shove.
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Jan 17,2010, 08:14 AM
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#6 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by 88Fingers ...see above.
it's a push/fold for the blinds and antes. | ya im aware of that, am i pushing or folding?
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Jan 17,2010, 08:37 AM
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Shoving is lighting money on fire ICM wise, let the short stack blind out first
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Jan 17,2010, 02:01 PM
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#8 | | Full PFC Member
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Originally Posted by Richard~ Shoving is lighting money on fire ICM wise, let the short stack blind out first | I think ICM would be a major consideration if we were shoved on and were looking at KJ and have to fold. But when you're on a stack of 6BB waiting for a stack to blind out, there is no guarantee shorty will blind out when all-in from the BB in the upcoming hand. So if you post/fold the blinds when its your turn, you'll be down to ~4BB before the shorty is forced all-in and if shorty wins, you're now in a competition for 4th with little fold equity as compared to still playing for first. And blinds will be going up soon as well.
If OP listed payout structure, it would give us a better sense of calculating ICM vs call ranges of 725K + 2.7 M stack.
Last edited by Tilter; Jan 17,2010 at 02:10 PM.
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Jan 17,2010, 10:22 PM
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#9 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Tilter I think ICM would be a major consideration if we were shoved on and were looking at KJ and have to fold. But when you're on a stack of 6BB waiting for a stack to blind out, there is no guarantee shorty will blind out when all-in from the BB in the upcoming hand. So if you post/fold the blinds when its your turn, you'll be down to ~4BB before the shorty is forced all-in and if shorty wins, you're now in a competition for 4th with little fold equity as compared to still playing for first. And blinds will be going up soon as well.
If OP listed payout structure, it would give us a better sense of calculating ICM vs call ranges of 725K + 2.7 M stack. | its party poker doesn't that tell you? i can't remember exactly but someone knows.
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Jan 18,2010, 04:09 AM
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meh, short stack has 0,6 BB's or something, I'm never giving away my 80 dollars here. Short guy is definitely forcing me to play suboptimally.
KJ is a flip against a 35% calling range anyway, No reason to think you're not getting called down light by the guy who can afford it. then there's the medium stack who could call you if he wakes up with a hand.
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