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Old Dec 22,2009, 12:55 PM   #1
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I'd like thoughts on this.

Down to 3 players. Pays $1200 for 1st, $770 for 2nd, $440 for 3rd.

Villian sits with ≈ 60k
Me with ≈ 50k
Other with ≈ 15k

Blinds are 1/2k. Other is playing like he's hoping we'll let him slide into second, Villian is aggressively pushing me around thinking I'm scared of making a mistake, while I'm desperately searching for anything to play back at him with.

Other folds the button, villian raises to 5k and I pick-up 3h4h ready to get funky and call. (first mistake??)

Flop comes Ah 5h As.

Villian c-bets (as always) 5k. I call (second mistake??)

Turn comes 2c for my straight. Villian checks and I hollywood for a bit before betting 10k. Villian calls. (more mistakes here?)

I'll wait for some gangbangathon before posting outcome.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:06 PM   #2
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sorry about the fh.

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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:08 PM   #3
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edit my edit^^ you didn't even get 'frisky' with the 3/4ss you called..ew.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:18 PM   #4
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sorry about the fh.
This is?

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edit my edit^^ you didn't even get 'frisky' with the 3/4ss you called..ew.
I know I know, but I was 110% sure I was seeing a free river.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:18 PM   #5
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probably call with 2k already in the pot; your down to three so you have to start playing hands. I likely push on that flop. Would he likely check his ace or C-bet? If he calls, you have plenty of outs and get to see two more cards. I wouldn't make it to the turn. Either I fold or push on that flop. Let him make the final decision.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:22 PM   #6
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probably call with 2k already in the pot; your down to three so you have to start playing hands. I likely push on that flop. Would he likely check his ace or C-bet? If he calls, you have plenty of outs and get to see two more cards. I wouldn't make it to the turn. Either I fold or push on that flop. Let him make the final decision.

There is 0% chance I fold that flop to a cheap c-bet. Why would I play those two to fold there?

Shove is def possible but there is also "Other" left who is letting us both pick him apart att. I can still get away from it later, and be OK, flatting the c-bet imo.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:26 PM   #7
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What happened to your other 30K?

5K Pre.
5K flop.
You push 10K.

I have a very different opinion if you only had ~20K to start the hand.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:28 PM   #8
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Sorry, bad terminology. I bet 10k into the 20K pot.
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I know I know, but I was 110% sure I was seeing a free river.
fh=full house

Why are you sure you're seeing a free river.. if it is because he doesn't have anything..
neither do you..tid...you're not going to get paid off if you hit if he's weak and if he calls you've got a big draw. I don't really get waiting until the turn to bet..I think as played looks more suspect than say insta-raising hard on that flop...that's what I would do.


idk, gonna think about it more and come back.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 01:47 PM   #10
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Got it.

Pre I dont hate a call here. We're talking 3K into 8K with position and still relatively deep.

I am definately not flatting the flop. Its a tricky spot because you dont want to raise enough where you commit yourself. If villain has Ax (btw Im leading that flop with Ax if Im villain) youre still behind with the draw. If you make it 12-13K villain is getting out of dodge with anything other than a hand that shoves.

If you ship the flop you're 40/60 best case scenario with any range that calls.

As played I ship the turn.
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This is one of those scenarios where I don't mind a minraise on the flop.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 02:00 PM   #12
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Got it.

Pre I dont hate a call here. We're talking 3K into 8K with position and still relatively deep.

I am definately not flatting the flop. Its a tricky spot because you dont want to raise enough where you commit yourself. If villain has Ax (btw Im leading that flop with Ax if Im villain) youre still behind with the draw. If you make it 12-13K villain is getting out of dodge with anything other than a hand that shoves.

If you ship the flop you're 40/60 best case scenario with any range that calls.

As played I ship the turn.
idk, I don't think that you're folding getting 2:1 which is what it'll be if you raise to 13 and he shoves.

I'm debating which elicits more calls from the PP>5 type hands..w/e it is for this player (Big shove will be read as weak or he's a lagtard who will try to put pressure back on you etc.) is the correct play imo..since I don't have a fold here we may as well try and get as many into the pool as possible.
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idk, I don't think that you're folding getting 2:1 which is what it'll be if you raise to 13 and he shoves.

I'm debating which elicits more calls from the PP>5 type hands..w/e it is for this player (Big shove will be read as weak or he's a lagtard who will try to put pressure back on you etc.) is the correct play imo..since I don't have a fold here we may as well try and get as many into the pool as possible.

It depends on how much personal value you put into the extra $330.

Personally, I gambool if villain ships and take my 40/60 shot at (basically) all the money. If he folds I just took the Cl anyway.

However HM stated he was concerned that the cripple was still in. Which makes it a little bit of a weaker spot to protect your position.
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Old Dec 22,2009, 02:30 PM   #14
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Why are you sure you're seeing a free river.. if it is because he doesn't have anything..neither do you..
Shut down after flop call was automatic previously. He was not going to slow play an ace. No doubt imm.


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I am definately not flatting the flop. Its a tricky spot because you dont want to raise enough where you commit yourself.

As played I ship the turn.
Agree 100% I should have shipped turn. Had visions of big pay day flying through my mind though.

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This is one of those scenarios where I don't mind a minraise on the flop.
This didn't even cross my mind. I wish it did. Another mistake.

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It depends on how much personal value you put into the extra $330.


However HM stated he was concerned that the cripple was still in. Which makes it a little bit of a weaker spot to protect your position.
The $330 meant very little.

Not concerned that he was still there but aware that he was exploitable playing behind me. Just wanted to be live after the hand.
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The $330 meant very little. Not concerned that he was still there but aware that he was exploitable playing behind me.
You flop a flush/gut-shot combo draw and you are worried about the short stack, and $330 means very little to you? Make up your mind already.

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Just wanted to be live after the hand.
then you should have folded pre-flop.
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