Call or Fold?

RWPKRPLR · Dec 22,2011, 09:20 PM

Only my 10th hand with this table.....

PokerStars Game #72620886646: Tournament #485516536, $8.00+$0.80 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level III (20/40) - 2011/12/22 22:11:41 ET
Table '485516536 23' 6-max Seat #1 is the button
Seat 1: Sam'Silent'B (2618 in chips)
Seat 2: lilcrocop (3563 in chips)
Seat 3: MrRobert75 (1712 in chips)
Seat 4: ryan1111 (3533 in chips)
Seat 5: costin nebun (2685 in chips)
Seat 6: 2010Rocha (2909 in chips)
lilcrocop: posts small blind 20
MrRobert75: posts big blind 40
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to ryan1111 [Kc Kd]
ryan1111: raises 47 to 87
costin nebun: calls 87
2010Rocha: calls 87
Sam'Silent'B: folds
lilcrocop: folds
MrRobert75: calls 47
*** FLOP *** [8h 7s 3s]
MrRobert75: checks
ryan1111: bets 276
costin nebun: raises 2322 to 2598 and is all-in
2010Rocha: raises 224 to 2822 and is all-in
MrRobert75: calls 1625 and is all-in........

What should I have done?

darbday · Dec 22,2011, 09:24 PM

Omg imagine if you won!!!

RWPKRPLR · Dec 22,2011, 09:25 PM

haha

Milo · Dec 22,2011, 09:53 PM

Raise more pre? Do you want to be 4 handed with KK?

RWPKRPLR · Dec 22,2011, 09:58 PM

Didn't want to deviate from my previous PF bet size...I thought that would highlight my hand!! But still given the scenario what should I have done on the flop?
Edit: And no I never want to be 4 handed with kings!!

masterplan · Dec 22,2011, 10:15 PM

Chances are you're ahead of 2/3 of them, but somebody more than likely made a set.
You do only have 350 chips invested, you could just muck it if you want the safe play.
I guess it also kind of matters if this is single table or MTT.

RWPKRPLR · Dec 22,2011, 10:17 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by masterplan

i guess it also kind of matters if this is single table or mtt.

mtt

masterplan · Dec 22,2011, 10:18 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by RWPKRPLR

mtt

Yeah, I think it's a definite laydown there. One of those ones that hurt to do, but it's just not worth the risk in my opinion.

RWPKRPLR · Dec 22,2011, 10:27 PM

Well this is how it played out...
ryan1111: folds
Uncalled bet (224) returned to 2010Rocha
*** TURN *** [8h 7s 3s] [Ks]
*** RIVER *** [8h 7s 3s Ks] [6h]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
costin nebun: shows [Ts As] (a flush, Ace high)
2010Rocha: shows [5s 6c] (a pair of Sixes)
costin nebun collected 1946 from side pot
MrRobert75: shows [Kh 8c] (two pair, Kings and Eights)
costin nebun collected 5519 from main pot
MrRobert75 finished the tournament in 154th place
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 7465 Main pot 5519. Side pot 1946. | Rake 0
Board [8h 7s 3s Ks 6h]
Seat 1: Sam'Silent'B (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 2: lilcrocop (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: MrRobert75 (big blind) showed [Kh 8c] and lost with two pair, Kings and Eights
Seat 4: ryan1111 folded on the Flop
Seat 5: costin nebun showed [Ts As] and won (7465) with a flush, Ace high
Seat 6: 2010Rocha showed [5s 6c] and lost with a pair of Sixes

masterplan · Dec 22,2011, 10:28 PM

Yeah, it was obvious there was at least one spade draw, but technically you were ahead on the flop.

RWPKRPLR · Dec 22,2011, 10:30 PM

oh i know, but the future of the hand seemed doomed!!

darbday · Dec 22,2011, 11:34 PM

really tho these are silly situations that usually only happen with a bunch of weak players. because of that you could argue call because you could be ahead a lot of the time and quading up or whatever will help you dominate the tourney if you are better than most of the players.

but you could also say that you should fold too since players are bad and you don't need to take a marginal risk.

folding here prob make sense and calling is obviously high variance.

as for the raise size. raising bigger will help avoid this a little and help make the decision easier.

as for keeping your raise sizes the same, you can change the size be position (bigger in earlier position smaller in steal spots) just make sure that you don't change the size based on your hand strength (we can do it against really bad players sometimes).