Deep Live 2/5/10 PLO Hand WWYD?

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    Deep Live 2/5/10 PLO Hand WWYD?

    The game was especially deep and super soft last night...probably 4-5 deep players that I've never played PLO with and they were not good...the deep players in this hand were (except the short stack) competent but have a few big holes in their games)

    Here is the hand...I'm too lazy at the moment to do the entire math...results will be posted in a few days.

    2/5 PLO with $10 button straddle.

    The players of relevance:

    GTA (that's me!...hi there) -- $1700 (in for 2k but that's not very relevant) in SB or BB can't recall.
    Tight reg player that makes some bad plays in big spots to my left -- $1300ish
    UTG +2 terrible reg player who loses lots -- $300-400.
    MP super lag player that I had not played with for a while and I forgot he was so aggro in PLO -- $10,000

    I call the straddle with QQxxhh (don't recall the other cards but they were not good.

    It gets back to me at $30 or so and I call...4-5 to flop.

    Flop: QJ8hh...I bet out 70ish (I rarely bet pot for many reasons and a 1/2 pot bet does not mean I'm weak) into 120-150.

    LEFT (1300) raises (I cannot recall amounts only the stack sizes really matter here)
    UTG +2 (300-400) calls
    AGGRO (10k) pots to 700? not really relevant
    GTA (1700) tanks a bit which I rarely do...tough spot math wise 4 ways with only 1 stack effective to mine...as I am thinking LEFT shoves the rest, UTG +2 shoves the rest...no doubt aggro is shoving when back to him

    My play? Your play? Reads? Ranges? E'splain?
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    Easy fold for me . . . Top set is all you got, likely flush draw is probably better than yours, straight draws possible. Just too many ways you get beat without you hit your boat.
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    never folding top set against marks.. just get there imo

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    It's ugly, but I'm hoping your against a small set and a few draws. You hold or fill up your getting shit tons back and if you re-pot and lose main it looks like you might be close to freerolling anyway against Argo 10k in side pot.

    I hate folding best hand as you might get outdrawn, not sure if it's correct. Watched a similar board where hero did make straight but savy player floated to bluff draw. It was a tank situation but hero called after flush card hit and was good.

    So what happened?

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    i probably fold here. T9 has you beat at the moment. suited Ah hands are probably not folding either. definitely possible that there is an AKTx hand out there or something similar with lots of outs. also, you lead out into 4-5 opponents and the tight player raises you with still more to act behind, not a good sign. furthermore, like you said, even if you pot it it's unlikely opponents are folding. i think the flop is too coordinated to go with top set even with the Q high flush draw. my biggest deterrent is the 4-5 guys in the pot i think. too many hands to beat with just top set.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHTNCTRHM View Post
    never folding top set against marks.. just get there imo

    re pot, gii
    If it was stars you know the flush is coming. Live his set might win, or he makes the fullhouse. If it is truly as soft as you say isn't best to get it in with what you think is the best hand?
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    I think with the LaG seemingly in this hand for stackzzzz....get it in.

    LAG's range is AXhh at min, and possible straight draw / flush draw combos, and the best case scenario a set.

    1300 stack likely has straight and likely flush draw....shorty could have anything.

    I think you're sufficiently ahead of LAG to make the side pot worth a gamboool here.
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    without a read I'm folding in that spot. but you said this:

    Tight reg player that makes some bad plays in big spots to my left -- $1300ish
    so if you think this is one of his moves then you can add a lot more hands to his range and as a result must get it in. aggro is nothing to worry about, for the same reason. both of those players sound prone to thinking they can steal on that board.

    so what happened?

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    Ima nit and I wanna get it in here against all 3 stacks.
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    Something else you said in the OP would make me want to fold in this spot. You have a HUGE edge against the players at the table, why gamble for stacks against that many opponents when you don't need to, you will still take their money eventually.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bfillmaff View Post
    without a read I'm folding in that spot. but you said this:



    so if you think this is one of his moves then you can add a lot more hands to his range and as a result must get it in. aggro is nothing to worry about, for the same reason. both of those players sound prone to thinking they can steal on that board.

    so what happened?
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    I would fold. Somebody probably has T9 straight or A/K-high flush draw, which both have higher all-in equity than your top set. I estimate that I have < 20% equity four-way, so I save my $1,600 for a +EV spot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BlondeFish View Post
    I would fold. Somebody probably has T9 straight or A/K-high flush draw, which both have higher all-in equity than your top set. I estimate that I have < 20% equity four-way, so I save my $1,600 for a +EV spot.
    Q72rb boards don't come around with 4 way all ins too often, decisions like this in PLO are often.....if you keep folding consistently waiting for better spots, you are -ev in PLO.
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    I will guess your up against a straight, wrap and a nut flush draw, I get it in. As T8 mentioned you don't get4 way action like this. Looking forward to the results.
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    I'm not an expert PLO player, I'm trying to learn preflop PLO.

    Is QQxxhh a good hand to limp and then call a raise?

    Or are you just making a preflop mistake because you play better post flop with droolers.
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