Deep Live 2/5/10 PLO Hand WWYD?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReefAquarium View Post
    I'm not an expert PLO player, I'm trying to learn preflop PLO.

    Is QQxxhh a good hands to limp and then call a raise?

    Or are you just making a preflop mistake because you play better post flop with droolers.
    It's not a great hand and I honestly cannot recall what the xx were...but I know they didn't matter on this board so they could not have been very good. There were some TERRIBLE players (not the deep ones that are significant in this hand) at the table so I am playing a wider range. Plus, the raise size is very small for this game so it is not a big call preflop.
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    Spit it out you fuckin tease

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTA Poker View Post
    It's not a great hand and I honestly cannot recall what the xx were...but I know they didn't matter on this board so they could not have been very good. There were some TERRIBLE players (not the deep ones that are significant in this hand) at the table so I am playing a wider range. Plus, the raise size is very small for this game so it is not a big call preflop.
    Want to add this and see if you agree...in hold'em raising pre-flop is usually for the purpose to limit the players in a hand, steal blinds, hopefully get heads up...in PLO it seems more to build a pot as players pretty much plan to make a hand every time..reason why suited wraps work so well and almost only hands I raise.

    You still want to isolate with AA of you can, but it's almost face up most of the time since so many players only raise the big pairs...all this to say I think it's pointless to raise queens most of the time since basically they are nice to set mine with, but the raise will make it easier for other players to read the board and fold big top two pair type hands. Any j+ they can easily assume set because of raise

    Clearly if your balanced in your opening hand (whatever the kids call it these days) it's less, but a soft opponent doesn't remember 5 minutes ago anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTA Poker View Post
    It's not a great hand and I honestly cannot recall what the xx were...but I know they didn't matter on this board so they could not have been very good. There were some TERRIBLE players (not the deep ones that are significant in this hand) at the table so I am playing a wider range. Plus, the raise size is very small for this game so it is not a big call preflop.
    Put another way, unless it qqAx suited or qq10j or some other coordinated hand, without a dangler it's going in the muck a ton after the flop. IMO You want to set mine with qq but saving some money and concealing high pair by limp calling is best play. Thinking like Fixed Limit.

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    Bump to see if we ever get to read how this played out? GTA can be such a tease

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    Hard to fold top set drawing to boat with four other players in the hand (even if they don't have you fully covered), assuming big stack has straight already. Most players wouldn't fold, even if heads up in this situation.

    I'm not worried about a bigger flush draw (I hope this is the case). I get my money in the middle faster than BF can say fold.

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    I folded.

    I think that >90% of the time my flush draw is dead and that at least 2 of my pair outs are dead. This leaves me at around 33% getting almost exactly 2:1 on my money. For me, there are better spots to get $1700 in during cash sessions.

    As it turned out, my hand was in the best case scenario. Both big stacks had the straight with no hearts in their hands and the short stack had 3hi hearts. I think maybe 1-2 of my pair outs were dead. This put me at over 60% to win the hand. This was the absolute best case scenario for my hand and probably would only occur around 5% of the time in this spot.

    Board came running hearts that did not pair the board. Having done the math during the hand I liked my fold based on the most likely scenarios. Huge stack binks his only redraw to the K hi straight and gets the side pot.

    1-2 orbits later I doubled through the huge stack with QT97ccdd on the button in a pot rasied to 60 preflop and 5 players to the flop of 5x8d2d. Checked around and the turn of 5x8d2d6d gave me the nuts with a straight flush redraw. Checked to me and I bet 225, SB calls, huge stack goes 1200, I shove my 1700 behind, sb folds and huge stack calls. Brick ace on the river, and to my surprise I scoop the pot...he said he had a set with K hi diamonds.

    Better spot.
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    Well that was a fun little game. Keep em coming

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    did the fact that u block the heart outs even cross your mind?

    awful fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHTNCTRHM View Post
    did the fact that u block the heart outs even cross your mind?

    awful fold.
    Odd way to think of a hand when you are not the made hand. Great analysis though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GTA Poker View Post
    Odd way to think of a hand when you are not the made hand. Great analysis though.
    ...but...i has 2 heartz...

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    u have top set in a multi way pot, and fold? lol

    u brag about playing trash in NL and stacking people, and when you get in a high equity scenario in a multi way pot and can scoop a biggun, you fold?

    lol nice theory, i suggest not playing online.

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    Great fold. I agree 100% with GTA's analysis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OHTNCTRHM View Post


    u have top set in a multi way pot, and fold? lol

    u brag about playing trash in NL and stacking people, and when you get in a high equity scenario in a multi way pot and can scoop a biggun, you fold?

    lol nice theory, i suggest not playing online.
    how is this high equity? cuz lots of shiny chips in pot?

    u can math?

    I'm getting 2:1 with likely 2:1 to win...there are much better spots in cash games...and there is no stack size equity since the BI is uncapped
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    Oh hai!
    Pokerz is rigged. Don't believe what these guys r tellin' ya.. (just kidding)

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