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Mar 09,2011, 06:01 PM
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#1 | | Local Celebrity | Flopped Set line
Iono.
Thoughts on flop line?
OOP I doubt I can flat here b/c I def have to check turn, which he checks back almost always with non ace hands.
But for some reason I feel I missed value from what was likely JJ-KK based on his super strong preflop flat.
PokerStars Game #58941428887: Tournament #371718018, $25.00+$2.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XX (600/1200) - 2011/03/09 18:52:16 ET
Table '371718018 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: Ostatoy (40562 in chips)
Seat 2: ifoundnemo23 (35785 in chips)
Seat 3: APD0290 (23606 in chips)
Seat 4: kielbax (12741 in chips)
Seat 5: FaulkDogg (31727 in chips)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 (115441 in chips)
Seat 7: BIGALHX1 (103622 in chips)
Seat 8: Jabulan1 (45275 in chips)
Seat 9: nickalbe (24964 in chips)
Ostatoy: posts the ante 240
ifoundnemo23: posts the ante 240
APD0290: posts the ante 240
kielbax: posts the ante 240
FaulkDogg: posts the ante 240
Wetts1012: posts the ante 240
BIGALHX1: posts the ante 240
Jabulan1: posts the ante 240
nickalbe: posts the ante 240
Ostatoy: posts small blind 600
ifoundnemo23: posts big blind 1200
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Ah As]
APD0290: raises 1224 to 2424
kielbax: folds
FaulkDogg: folds
Wetts1012: raises 2696 to 5120
BIGALHX1: calls 5120
Jabulan1: folds
nickalbe: folds
Ostatoy: folds
ifoundnemo23: folds
APD0290: folds
*** FLOP *** [7c 2d Ac]
Wetts1012: bets 8990
BIGALHX1: raises 8990 to 17980
Wetts1012: raises 10908 to 28888
BIGALHX1: folds
Uncalled bet (10908) returned to Wetts1012
Wetts1012 collected 52584 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 52584 | Rake 0
Board [7c 2d Ac]
Seat 1: Ostatoy (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ifoundnemo23 (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: APD0290 folded before Flop
Seat 4: kielbax folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: FaulkDogg folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 collected (52584)
Seat 7: BIGALHX1 folded on the Flop
Seat 8: Jabulan1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: nickalbe (button) folded before Flop (didn't bet)
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Mar 09,2011, 06:21 PM
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#2 | | Inhumano Forboon! |
naw flat, check any turn after a 4 sec time bank, and get ready stack vs JJ+......who flats a 3bet pre here or is that just standard?
i don't know if this is a higher level than what i play but i can get like pocket sixes to stack off with that line i swear....but you at least get one more bet from him....
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Mar 09,2011, 06:26 PM
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#3 | | Local Celebrity | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday  naw flat, check any turn after a 4 sec time bank, and get ready stack vs JJ+......who flats a 3bet pre here or is that just standard? | Yea def the other option that went through my head. He prob stacks underpairs alot of the time, but iono with his stack.
fwiw we were 1/2 in chips in the tournament ( by quite a bit) with 26 left.
Change the dynamic?
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Mar 09,2011, 06:43 PM
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#4 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetts1012
fwiw we were 1/2 in chips in the tournament ( by quite a bit) with 26 left.
Change the dynamic?
| I wouldn't know 
was gonna ask how you have 100bbs at this level......
26 left im gonna say if theres like 300+ people reg'd in this tourney then ya you could prob slow down, i have no idea on the actually math but im sure you could slow down here....
...i generally only have to deal with cev mode....and here he screeeaams jj,qq, maybe kk with that flat pre. and the re raise post flop is rarely a flush draw i swear.
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Mar 09,2011, 06:43 PM
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#5 | | Inhumano Forboon! |
of course we're waiting on some others while we have this little bs sessh
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Mar 09,2011, 06:46 PM
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#6 | | Local Celebrity | Quote:
Originally Posted by darbday I wouldn't know
was gonna ask how you have 100bbs at this level......
26 left im gonna say if theres like 300+ people reg'd in this tourney then ya you could prob slow down, i have no idea on the actually math but im sure you could slow down here....
...i generally only have to deal with cev mode....and here he screeeaams jj,qq, maybe kk with that flat pre. and the re raise post flop is rarely a flush draw i swear. | Good analysis. Hes def not cold calling with anything suited like kqcc etc so I think imo slower would have been much better.
meh live and learn.
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Mar 09,2011, 06:47 PM
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#7 | | Inhumano Forboon! | Quote:
Originally Posted by Wetts1012 Good analysis. Hes def not cold calling with anything suited like kqcc etc so I think imo slower would have been much better.
meh live and learn. | ya and by playing slower.....in the hand....were playing faster....as far as accumulating chips......  ?
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
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Mar 09,2011, 07:00 PM
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#8 | | Full PFC Member |
Yeah, I think a lot of people will push harder on you if you flat this flop. In my experience he will put at least one more bet in, on either the turn or river. So the risk by just calling flop, i think its a must to check turn and river if he checks turn back. Your almost for sure not up against a flush draw so you dont need to be worried about that.
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Mar 09,2011, 07:09 PM
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#9 | | Local Celebrity |
On a positive note, we have made it to the feature table.
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Mar 09,2011, 07:11 PM
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#10 | | Full PFC Member |
gl gl gl
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Mar 09,2011, 07:19 PM
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#11 | | Local Celebrity |
It appears we are running decently in big equity situations....
PokerStars Game #58945037696: Tournament #371718018, $25.00+$2.50 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level XXVIII (3000/6000) - 2011/03/09 20:16:19 ET
Table '371718018 3' 9-max Seat #9 is the button
Seat 1: ostereo (161703 in chips)
Seat 2: ProXimaVez (61194 in chips)
Seat 3: APD0290 (255497 in chips)
Seat 4: kielbax (109574 in chips)
Seat 5: aakula (96607 in chips)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 (127173 in chips)
Seat 7: BIGALHX1 (138438 in chips)
Seat 9: PVL_1978 (90814 in chips)
ostereo: posts the ante 1200
ProXimaVez: posts the ante 1200
APD0290: posts the ante 1200
kielbax: posts the ante 1200
aakula: posts the ante 1200
Wetts1012: posts the ante 1200
BIGALHX1: posts the ante 1200
PVL_1978: posts the ante 1200
ostereo: posts small blind 3000
ProXimaVez: posts big blind 6000
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Wetts1012 [Jd Ac]
APD0290: folds
kielbax: folds
aakula: folds
Wetts1012: raises 7990 to 13990
BIGALHX1: folds
PVL_1978: raises 75624 to 89614 and is all-in
ostereo: folds
ProXimaVez: folds
Wetts1012: calls 75624
*** FLOP *** [7d 4s Qc]
*** TURN *** [7d 4s Qc] [2d]
*** RIVER *** [7d 4s Qc 2d] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
Wetts1012: shows [Jd Ac] (high card Ace)
PVL_1978: shows [7s As] (a pair of Sevens)
PVL_1978 collected 197828 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 197828 | Rake 0
Board [7d 4s Qc 2d 9d]
Seat 1: ostereo (small blind) folded before Flop
Seat 2: ProXimaVez (big blind) folded before Flop
Seat 3: APD0290 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 4: kielbax folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 5: aakula folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 6: Wetts1012 showed [Jd Ac] and lost with high card Ace
Seat 7: BIGALHX1 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 9: PVL_1978 (button) showed [7s As] and won (197828) with a pair of Sevens
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Mar 09,2011, 07:20 PM
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yeah saw that one, tough luck.
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Mar 09,2011, 08:52 PM
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#13 | | Inhumano Forboon! |
....tried to rail....too late....
...and i might be missing something but donking the turn with a smaller than normal bet inducing a tilted bluff shove like 87.9% of the time i swear
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Mar 10,2011, 01:09 AM
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Don't like 3-betting on that kind of board, it looks so strong and they can only continue w/ an ace. I think c/c is better. If it's more coordinated it's good. That's a better line to take w/ a club draw, lol.
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Mar 10,2011, 11:40 PM
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Don't like your preflop 3 bet sizing. Unless you do this all the time (which would be a mistake against decent players), you're probably giving away the strength of your hand with the min-3bet. It gives the preflop raiser odds to call with any two cards.
In addition, you have a large stack behind you. He could make your life extremely difficult when he flats your tiny 3 bet preflop and getting to the flop in position playing so deep.
The preflop raiser has a little less than 20 bets preflop. If you make a standard 3-bet sizing...you create the situation where he's most likely going to jam/fold preflop or stop and go on the flop. Unless you have more info, most ppl aren't opening light utg w/ <20 bets. If his hand is weighted towards the premium...it's better to get it in preflop. This is why raising more preflop sets up the situation properly.
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On the flop, the c-bet is fine. When he min-raises you..I would think his value range would be AK/AQs/77/KQs. 77 and KQs would be pretty marginal calls preflop. Since the UTG preflop raiser could have shoved preflop...and he would have to fold those hands if you didn't fold.
In addition to his value range....his min-raising range would include a ton of bluffs. Since you 3-bet so small, I would weigh your hand towards a high pocket pair...more than a hand like AQ...since you would want to just want to get it in preflop with AQ vs the utg open. So knowing that your hand range is more geared towards high pocket pairs...he could try to move you off 1010-KK type hands.
Since there's very few hands in his range that has much equity....I don't see the point of raising on the flop. If he doesn't have AK/AQs/77/KQs there's little to no value to your raise.
I also don't like your 3 bet size on the flop. I don't see very many hands in your range where you could be bluffing. And if he does somehow have a flush draw....he's given the right odds to draw.
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