Sharantyr

Here's hoping this would be the right thread to post this (and yes I do love you too Kristy).

Obviously I just limp as the odds are there to just look at the flop. When he shoves, I have what I count as 17 outs to make my hand and his all in is not all that threatening to me, though he either a) has a hand and I know I will need to hit mine to crack his or b) its a bluff at the pot in position and I would still need to hit to beat his bluff. Is there any reason at all that this would be a fold?

PokerStars Game #38631383630: Tournament #278910966, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2010/01/23 21:53:40 ET
Table '278910966 164' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PA_Hudson (8649 in chips)
Seat 2: patty0125 (2075 in chips)
Seat 3: Sharantyr (9296 in chips)
Seat 4: LELIS1234 (3660 in chips)
Seat 5: TIO_DODÔ (1187 in chips)
Seat 6: hybelen (7155 in chips)
Seat 7: jzm341 (6110 in chips)
Seat 8: leito_mrb (2122 in chips)
Seat 9: brad1911 (13451 in chips)
PA_Hudson: posts the ante 25
patty0125: posts the ante 25
Sharantyr: posts the ante 25
LELIS1234: posts the ante 25
TIO_DODÔ: posts the ante 25
hybelen: posts the ante 25
jzm341: posts the ante 25
leito_mrb: posts the ante 25
brad1911: posts the ante 25
TIO_DODÔ: posts small blind 125
hybelen: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sharantyr [6s 5s]
jzm341: folds
leito_mrb: calls 250
brad1911: calls 250
PA_Hudson: calls 250
patty0125: folds
Sharantyr: calls 250
LELIS1234: calls 250
TIO_DODÔ: calls 125
hybelen: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 4h Qs]
TIO_DODÔ: checks
hybelen: checks
leito_mrb: bets 1847 and is all-in
brad1911: folds
PA_Hudson: folds

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Hobbes

9 spades
3 3's
3 7's

15 outs
You double counted the 3s and 7s

I prob snap shove to isolate (assuming my outs are good). He has less than a pot bet left as there is 1975 in the pot. You don't get a much better flop for your limp.

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Sharantyr

ahh yes. Ok 15 outs. Thanks Hobbes. But still, any reason it should be a fold? Just trying to understand when this would be a good idea to call and when it may not.

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Milo

As long as you're unconcerned about the players left to act, I shove. 15 outs twice is enough to make me forget where to go to click "fold". A call might induce one of them to shove (or call), though, so you might want to get greedy.

My $0.02 . . .

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Sharantyr

I agree a reshove would be warranted if I am infact going to atleast call, at most tables. I definately was not concerned about the 2 behind me at all because if I was playing, even just flat calling his all in they were folding guaranteed.

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Kristy_Sea

nah call ..this flop is the reason you played 5/6ss.

I don't really see any reason to over shove..it is one of those situations where you'd just push out hands you're beating and nothing else.

I hope it hit!

Sharantyr

Yes this flop is the reason I play this hand in the first place. I just call. The reason I did this was because on the off chance one of the other 2 behind call as well and I do hit, I know I am getting paid. As stated earlier, I truely was not concerned about a call or a re-pop from either of them.

As it turns out....
PokerStars Game #38631383630: Tournament #278910966, $2.00+$0.20 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VII (125/250) - 2010/01/23 21:53:40 ET
Table '278910966 164' 9-max Seat #4 is the button
Seat 1: PA_Hudson (8649 in chips)
Seat 2: patty0125 (2075 in chips)
Seat 3: Sharantyr (9296 in chips)
Seat 4: LELIS1234 (3660 in chips)
Seat 5: TIO_DODÔ (1187 in chips)
Seat 6: hybelen (7155 in chips)
Seat 7: jzm341 (6110 in chips)
Seat 8: leito_mrb (2122 in chips)
Seat 9: brad1911 (13451 in chips)
PA_Hudson: posts the ante 25
patty0125: posts the ante 25
Sharantyr: posts the ante 25
LELIS1234: posts the ante 25
TIO_DODÔ: posts the ante 25
hybelen: posts the ante 25
jzm341: posts the ante 25
leito_mrb: posts the ante 25
brad1911: posts the ante 25
TIO_DODÔ: posts small blind 125
hybelen: posts big blind 250
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Sharantyr [6s 5s]
jzm341: folds
leito_mrb: calls 250
brad1911: calls 250
PA_Hudson: calls 250
patty0125: folds
Sharantyr: calls 250
LELIS1234: calls 250
TIO_DODÔ: calls 125
hybelen: checks
*** FLOP *** [7s 4h Qs]
TIO_DODÔ: checks
hybelen: checks
leito_mrb: bets 1847 and is all-in
brad1911: folds
PA_Hudson: folds
Sharantyr: calls 1847
LELIS1234: folds
TIO_DODÔ: folds
hybelen: folds
*** TURN *** [7s 4h Qs] [Qc]
*** RIVER *** [7s 4h Qs Qc] [9d]
*** SHOW DOWN ***
leito_mrb: shows [Jd Qh] (three of a kind, Queens)
Sharantyr: shows [6s 5s] (a pair of Queens)
Sharantyr said, "nh"
leito_mrb collected 5669 from pot
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 5669 | Rake 0
Board [7s 4h Qs Qc 9d]
Seat 1: PA_Hudson folded on the Flop
Seat 2: patty0125 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 3: Sharantyr showed [6s 5s] and lost with a pair of Queens
Seat 4: LELIS1234 (button) folded on the Flop
Seat 5: TIO_DODÔ (small blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 6: hybelen (big blind) folded on the Flop
Seat 7: jzm341 folded before Flop (didn't bet)
Seat 8: leito_mrb showed [Jd Qh] and won (5669) with three of a kind, Queens
Seat 9: brad1911 folded on the Flop

Try try again

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Milo

Sorry, Shar. Guess we ALL suck.


I still say there is no FOLD there . . .

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Sharantyr

1st... you should not admit to a forum largley male populated that you all suck :P

In my opinion I do not think its ever a fold either. Just thought I would ask to see if maybe there is something I am missing, as everyone here is +++ in the experience area than I am.

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GTA Poker

There was one out -- you.

Oh, no I di'int.

Edit: would have been funnier if you got knocked out

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Sharantyr

@}->-- Yes it would have been!

Well I am and it was my AA vs KK! Har har har.

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Plz see my previous post for laughterz

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