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    How do I play this spot?

    Early Day 2 in the WPT Fallsview $2500 event. We're about 2 hrs away from the bubble.

    I have 17BB in the SB and it folded around to me. I have KQ off. BB has 18 BB and he's been shoving medium-wide for a while in good spots. So I assume he shoves a wide range in this spot if he has an opportunity.

    Eg. He 3-bet 30% of his stack vs a short stack who was all in for 5 BB and 2 deep stacks who had flatted the shove, and tabled A8 offsuit.

    How do I play this spot, assuming my main goal is to cash?
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    Not to be results oriented but I think just open ripping is good. He's def capable of folding some hands that are better and your probably doing ok when called. Also, pick up the blinds/antes uncontested the majority of the time which is ok.

    Another option, this one is up to you, don't know what your pain threshold is, probably much higher variance but could yield more chips.

    Is the limp, call if he jams. Leaving him open to bluffs this way and he will likely shove with a lot of hands you have dominated too.

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    Yes, I posted it this way to avoid the results bias. I found it to be a tough spot at the time and as I rehash it in my mind I have a different take on it every time I go over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Card Dead View Post
    Yes, I posted it this way to avoid the results bias. I found it to be a tough spot at the time and as I rehash it in my mind I have a different take on it every time I go over it.
    Going back, and without knowing his hand, what are some options you like as to how to play that hand?

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    I disagree that he would fold better hands, maybe A2o,A3o,33s and 22s. If he is the aggro type like he described maybe not even those hands.

    Now since the situation is close to the bubble, then probably limp with intention of folding to a jam is okay although probably the worst option in terms of chipEV. Rule of thumb, if you are going to call the jam, then jamming yourself is better, with some exceptions such as the guy is induced easily, but KQ isn't that strong so it wouldn't make sense to induce with that.

    In general I would just 2.8x pre and play post, since its close to the bubble and people usually play fit or fold and also you take it down a decent amount. Since the guy is aggro/sticky just open jam, KQ is up there in your range and profitable to jam.

    Imo vs that specific guy, i'd open jam, cross my toes and pray he didn't wake up with a good hand.
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    My first instinct was to shove and hope to pick up the blinds and Antes, but I had been doing that for hours (literally), and then I'm only getting called by a better hand. Problem here is I fold out a lot of his bluff range and open myself up to almost always only getting called by a better hand and never folding out a better hand, as he definitely calls with any ace or pair.

    Then I thought limp, but I wasn't sure what I'd do when he shoved as I was sure he would.

    Third option was to raise about 2.5x but then I have to call the shove.

    Clearly, I can't just fold here, so, in sum, I don't really like any of the options. What I disliked least, was the raise-call option.
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    Ha. Me posting strategy. 😀

    If he calls a shove this is for his tournament life too. So I expect you'll fold out a lot of hands that he'd gamble with under different circumstances. And if you are called you are +ev with a lot of his calling range.

    If you do a small raise it sounds like he'll jam and you'll have to call. So you are just giving up fold equity.

    If you just call, it sounds like he might be inclined to raise or jam. Either way you are calling. You might have a chance for a stop and go play if he he doesn't jam PF.

    The other option is a 4 or 5 BB raise and call a jam or jam on any flop. I don't know how often this works.

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    How do I play this spot?

    For the record. When I say he's folding better to a shove. I don't mean he's ever folding hands like A10. But I think he could consider folding hands like A2-Maybe A5, likely 22, 33, possibly 44. Hands like this.

    Edit: still think the best line, esp close to the bubble is to just open rip though.

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    Yep, I shove this Blind vs blind all day long with only 17BBs. If he wakes up with a hand, so be it. So close to the bubble, he shouldn't call with a marginal hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Card Dead View Post

    How do I play this spot, assuming my main goal is to cash?

    LOL at me giving tournament advice.

    Your goal should not be to cash. Your goal is to maximize equity.

    I open shove against his random hand here.
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    Since I've never cashed in a major tournament, and the min cash would be my biggest cash ever, I'm ok with min cashing this event. That said, I felt maxing equity in this spot was the best path to geting to the money.

    So I ended up just raising to 2.5x, because if he shoves, I'm now crushing a much bigger part of his range than if I shove and he calls. He did indeed shove with 66. I called and didn't improve.

    Now I know that my first instinct was probably right and I should have jammed, but in the end, I'm going broke here either way I played it as this guy is never folding 66 in that spot, but I wasn't sure if it was a punt or not.

    Also, I had a boatload of medium pairs in this tournament (like 20) and every flop had 2 overs and I never made a set, so I'm a little pissed that the board ran out small when I needed the overs. But that's just how I run most of the time.

    Thanks for the input. It was very helpful.
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    New to the forum. Table dynamics, blind level, time to next jump, and average chip stack size is useful information.

    This hand as described, plays itself. Villain is never folding pocket sixes heads-up in this spot. The question is whether to jam or fold, because Hero has decided he is going to call a shove if he raises pf.

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    I want to quickly add my two cents as well.

    You say you're raising to induce and you've picked a fine hand to do so with. What you do want to ask yourself tho is what you would do with AA KK AK AQ or 1010, if you raise to induce with those as well you can't shove as many hands since you've taken out many of your best hands.

    Another strategy to consider which I play around this stacksize is to limp jam instead of raising pre myself, I think that realistically will widen his range more than if you raise pre if he's aggro
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mojo1312 View Post
    New to the forum. Table dynamics, blind level, time to next jump, and average chip stack size is useful information.

    This hand as described, plays itself. Villain is never folding pocket sixes heads-up in this spot. The question is whether to jam or fold, because Hero has decided he is going to call a shove if he raises pf.
    Agreed, this specific hand does pretty much play itself. My uncertainty is in whether it's a good move to get it all in here, not knowing what V has at the time, and if so, what's the most profitable way to do so - limp, raise, or open shove?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Richard~ View Post
    I want to quickly add my two cents as well.

    You say you're raising to induce and you've picked a fine hand to do so with. What you do want to ask yourself tho is what you would do with AA KK AK AQ or 1010, if you raise to induce with those as well you can't shove as many hands since you've taken out many of your best hands.

    Another strategy to consider which I play around this stacksize is to limp jam instead of raising pre myself, I think that realistically will widen his range more than if you raise pre if he's aggro
    this was exactly what I was thinking of at the time. If I have any of those hands, I'm 2.5 x-ing against this guy as I don't want to limp and give him a free flop on the off chance he checks behind.

    When you say limp-shove, are you referring to preflop assuming he just raises or on the flop assuming he checks, or both, and do you call if he shoves?
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