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Originally Posted by darbday
if you just hammer your nut hands into oppenents you don't gain enough value for the times when you are coolered...
^^ This times 10 is what I am guilty of too often, nicely explained Darb.. Now why is it that you seem to be able to explain poker situations quite well but have difficulty making others understand your thoughts around "life" situations... Grammar (who the f cares about exact spelling anyways) doesn't need to be perfect, mine sure isn't, but does need to be good enough to convey the intended message.
^^ This times 10 is what I am guilty of too often, nicely explained Darb.. Now why is it that you seem to be able to explain poker situations quite well but have difficulty making others understand your thoughts around "life" situations... Grammar (who the f cares about exact spelling anyways) doesn't need to be perfect, mine sure isn't, but does need to be good enough to convey the intended message.
because explaining everything else is the same and easy.....but explaining whats going on in the world and 'how to change it' requires revolutionary ideas and radical thinking from people on both sides....it is the one subject different from everything else is what im saying
omg....who do i complain to if our mod was derailing threads...
^ #occupy
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
for the rest of the hand if you won't get all your chips in i think you should fold but if you will then i think you should check call.....that way times that he has it are balanced by the times that he bluffs off to you with hands you beat....
if you just hammer your nut hands into oppenents you don't gain enough value for the times when you are coolered...
and on top of that with an aggressive opponent...you are missing value by checking raising because he almost always folds and he almost always bluffs more money to you on the turn....
Firstly, your last response was well said..., and as always, I appreciate the comments.
Secondly, I am in agreement with you on the above and so now a decision had to be made whether we go all the way or fold now. Hence, we tank here to re-evaluate action/play.
Eventually, I came to the conclusion that about the only thing that really beats me here is the villain possibly holding a 10 (ie. likelyhood being J10, Q10 or even A10). If he does, then so be it. Consider it 'variance' so we decide to flat all the way in the hopes we are good at show down...
Maybe, not completely sure. I dislike the flop checkraise by us but the motivation for betting again on the turn after checkraising is that he'll probably hero almost all of his range since he's bound to have something when he flats the checkraise
If you check you give him the option to check behind and if we then jam river I don't think we have many bluffs in our range. As I said, not sure which one is really better though
In regards to the rest of the hand; check/raise is good as played but the raise needs to be bigger, honestly with your stack size I jam.
Again as played when the K hits the turn I would bet to see where he is at, he would likely raise you decent here and I would fold it. If he flats check fold river, villain is only betting into you here with better than your 2 pair.
Looking at one, thing, I think your c/r sizing on the flop was too small.
Prior to the flop there is about 24,000 in the pot. Villain cbets a 1/3rd pot (9,600) into this pot, making the pot 33,600. He cbet size being the same as his preflop bet IMO screams blocker bet/weakness.
You c/r 15,400 more, now the pot is 49,000. Villain is getting over 3 to 1 to call, so any drawing hand will have near the right odds.
IMO your problem wasn't your plan, but your bet sizing. If you c/r to like ~30k+ it makes it harder on villain to continue with their draw.
Looking at one, thing, I think your c/r sizing on the flop was too small.
Prior to the flop there is about 24,000 in the pot. Villain cbets a 1/3rd pot (9,600) into this pot, making the pot 33,600. He cbet size being the same as his preflop bet IMO screams blocker bet/weakness.
You c/r 15,400 more, now the pot is 49,000. Villain is getting over 3 to 1 to call, so any drawing hand will have near the right odds.
IMO your problem wasn't your plan, but your bet sizing. If you c/r to like ~30k+ it makes it harder on villain to continue with their draw.
here you are talking about trying to get a very bluff happy villain to fold his very weak range on a very dry board when we have the nuts.......
the only drawing hands are trips draw, two pair draw, and gutshot.....
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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.
here you are talking about trying to get a very bluff happy villain to fold his very weak range on a very dry board when we have the nuts.......
the only drawing hands are trips draw, two pair draw, and gutshot.....
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Ac Qs Jd
Dry board? Aside from it being a rainbow, that board is pretty freaking wet, especially given an aggressive villains range.
Are we still stacking off if any K, J, 10, 9 or 8 hit on the turn? Personally, I'd rather get my chips in now with a c/r, vs giving villain odds to call and be hating life when 1/3 of the deck hits the turn.
Further, if OP is trying to get their stack in on the turn, he needs to bet more to make it a ~PSB shove.
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