i always over play fours but here?

Richard~ · Jan 17,2010, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by Tilter

And standard raising allows you to fold, if there is sick action behind raise + reraise before it gets back to your normal open bet sizing.

You think so? if he gets that much action in front of him he's getting a pretty nice price to run the turn and river against flushes. Unless it's set over set but I don't even bother trying to dodge that most of the time given how people play.

I don't think he should use normal bet sizing to get away from his hand I think he should use it to widen the ranges he gets value from

Tilter · Jan 17,2010, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

You think so? if he gets that much action in front of him he's getting a pretty nice price to run the turn and river against flushes. Unless it's set over set but I don't even bother trying to dodge that most of the time given how people play.

I don't think he should use normal bet sizing to get away from his hand I think he should use it to widen the ranges he gets value from

One post before yours, I stated he'll be able to get more value by getting all-in vs a wider range from villain. "But getting all in vs ace king, two pair, flush draw is better than getting all in vs higher set/flush :P You always want to be ahead of some hands in all-in situations" <-- in regard to OP not knowing what to do if he made a standard bet and got raised on the flop

But you're right, if we're getting anything near 2:1 after factoring in possibility of them on an AcX draw and if you get both players in, def +cEV to stack it off.

darbday · Feb 05,2010, 01:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Richard~

Nothing you can do really but you need to v-bet between 2/3 and full pot every time. You're shoving over 9x the pot for really no reason ._.

(Don't raise with the pp IMO, you want to lay yourself as implied odds as possible, hit the 4 and play a big multiway pot)

What is...... arbitrary?

HammerDad · Feb 05,2010, 09:08 AM

Aside from the limp preflop, which I actually don't mind, I hate how this hand was played.

You aren't getting called by a worse hand here 9/10 times. Most hands that call this will have you beat pretty badly (over sets and flushes).

Plus, if there is a worse hand out there, you will get no value from them. The guy with the naked Ac would probably lay it down.

IMO, bet pot (or close to it) on the flop. If it goes raise, reraise/shove....you fold losing the minimum. If it goes raise and call, you see the turn and if you've improved and if you don't improve it is a check/fold.

Shoving the flop doesn't allow people with worse hands to call and only opens us up to getting stacked.