JJ Pre-Flop

PocketsTwos · Jan 26,2011, 10:15 AM

Out of all poker hands, I find playing JJ the most difficult pre-flop. How do you guys like to play them?

Recently at Casino Niagara 1/2 NLHE:

I 3-bet my pocket J's to $45.00 after a PF raise in front of me of $15.00 with one other caller. The initial raiser called with the other guy folding. Flop was 7s 4h 2c. Guy bets out $75.00. I thought about it for a minute and folded my J's. He showed QQ.

I figured the only hand I was beating was AK after he bet out after the flop...although it was a great flop for my hand.

Any thoughts?

syphilaids · Jan 26,2011, 03:01 PM

Villian dependant.
If he's a nit, fold. If he's lag-tarded, ship it.

iNano78 · Jan 26,2011, 03:14 PM

If you were planning to fold to a single bet on a dry flop, why did you raise pre-flop? Seems like you were set-mining. Might as well just call pre-flop then.

Knowing what villain had, it was a good lay down. But villain could also have had TT, 99, 88, A7, maybe 56s (depends if villain would raise pre and call a 3-bet with small suited connectors), AK, AQ, and maybe others that you're ahead of. Sure, AA, KK, and QQ each beat you, as do 77, 44, and 22 (all less likely, as most players would check to the aggressor after flopping a set)... and if that is everything in villain's range (calling a 3-bet and leading on a dry flop), then it's a good fold.

P.S. I also hate JJ, but I'm just not convinced I like the "3-bet pre-flop and fold to a single out-of-position bet on a 7-high flop" line all that much.

PocketsTwos · Jan 26,2011, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by iNano78

If you were planning to fold to a single bet on a dry flop, why did you raise pre-flop? Seems like you were set-mining. Might as well just call pre-flop then.

Knowing what villain had, it was a good lay down. But villain could also have had TT, 99, 88, A7, maybe 56s (depends if villain would raise pre and call a 3-bet with small suited connectors), AK, AQ, and maybe others that you're ahead of. Sure, AA, KK, and QQ each beat you, as do 77, 44, and 22 (all less likely, as most players would check to the aggressor after flopping a set)... and if that is everything in villain's range (calling a 3-bet and leading on a dry flop), then it's a good fold.

P.S. I also hate JJ, but I'm just not convinced I like the "3-bet pre-flop and fold to a single out-of-position bet on a 7-high flop" line all that much.

Thanks for the great input..

By three betting PF here, I thought it would give me a better idea of where my hand stood. If I just call his bet PF, what do I do after he bets out after the dry flop?

(Silly question here: In this example, what is the real difference here between villian 4 betting PF or his C-Bet post Flop? The reason I ask is because my result would be identical, no?)

I forgot to mention that it was fairly early in the session, villian's stack was about $260.00 and I had about $340.00.

Cheers

darbday · Jan 26,2011, 04:06 PM

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Originally Posted by PocketsTwos

what do I do after he bets out after the dry flop?

Cheers

you have the option to do the same thing...but for cheaper...you can also call a flop bet....again cheaper.....

not saying i surely call or 3bet ...certainly villain dependent...

but consider set minning them if you don't like them...

PocketsTwos · Jan 26,2011, 04:23 PM

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Originally Posted by darbday

you have the option to do the same thing...but for cheaper...you can also call a flop bet....again cheaper.....

not saying i surely call or 3bet ...certainly villain dependent...

but consider set minning them if you don't like them...

Good point..

When I pick up pocket 2's 3's and 4's I am thinking exactly that....I guess I'll just have to expand my set mining range!

NM

darbday · Jan 26,2011, 04:37 PM

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Originally Posted by PocketsTwos

Good point..

When I pick up pocket 2's 3's and 4's I am thinking exactly that....I guess I'll just have to expand my set mining range!

NM

sometimes