Should I Have Called?

jx01 · May 29,2011, 04:11 PM

Sunday Storm on Pokerstars

PokerStars Game #62713824604: Tournament #422010003, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (150/300) - 2011/05/29 13:49:49 PT [2011/05/29 16:49:49 ET]
Table '422010003 1054' 9-max Seat #7 is the button
Seat 1: orangeline (10357 in chips)
Seat 2: guitiriz (12900 in chips)
Seat 3: phunzz (20030 in chips)
Seat 4: Hero (11751 in chips)
Seat 5: X_DARKSITE_X (770 in chips)
Seat 6: ricardão rv (6313 in chips)
Seat 7: ty for call (12664 in chips)
Seat 8: alonsillo87 (1250 in chips) is sitting out
Seat 9: CAMACHO273 (1135 in chips) is sitting out
Antes Posted
alonsillo87: posts small blind 150
CAMACHO273: posts big blind 300

*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Hero [As Qs]
orangeline: folds
guitiriz: raises 300 to 600 -original raiser
phunzz: raises 600 to 1200
Hero: calls 1200
X_DARKSITE_X: folds
ricardão rv: folds
ty for call: calls 1200
alonsillo87: folds
CAMACHO273: folds
guitiriz: calls 600

*** FLOP *** [6s 2c 5s]
guitiriz: checks
phunzz: checks
Hero: checks -wanted to see a free card
ty for call: bets 3000
guitiriz: raises 6600 to 9600 -check raise
phunzz: folds
Hero: folds
ty for call: folds
Uncalled bet (6600) returned to guitiriz
guitiriz collected 11475 from pot
guitiriz: doesn't show hand

I was definitely drawing live, but the raise pre-flop from him, the check raise, and his willingness to gamble against someone who almost has him covered made me think he had either a big pair or a low pair with an ace kick. I regret not calling anyway. How would you have played it?

darbday · May 29,2011, 04:25 PM

you are almost even money vs the kinds of hands the initial raiser has....best thing to do on this flop imo is let someone sneak their money in who will fold when you re raise jam. this way you might be just less than a coin flip but theres plenty of extra money to make up for any time your behind....

bonus is when villain shows up with hands like aj or a worse flush draw where you have ace high and are already ahead

jx01 · May 29,2011, 07:49 PM

Good point. I'll keep that in mind

getem76 · May 30,2011, 11:47 AM

enough at risk so to speak, you can wait for a better spot, you could even be paying off 88 here or something with 1/3rd the deck approx to hit twice, i dont smell a set here, more some kind of KK or QQ sort of thing with one spade if its KK.....a better spot should come if you folded. Cant gamble everytime

sump · May 30,2011, 03:03 PM

I've actually come 43rd in the storm with like 37k runners it was brutal coming that far and not winning but imo you need to gamble more in these spots in these types of crapshoot MTT's. This should have been a shove but you are not at fault for folding, I just don't like it as much as shoving.

Based on the line pre UTG+1 opens for a min raise and UTG+2 3-bets to $1200. At this point flatting isn't terrible since the original raiser can 4-bet.

Also we could 4-bet here with our position something smallish like 2750 which leaves us with about 10k behind which at this level is about 33 BB's. The 4-bet gives us the betting lead and it could also get UTG+1 to fold the 88-JJ part of his range as those hands don't play well against cold 4-bets.

With no reads and the fact that these are crapshoots I think I am shipping the flop as played. Most of the time I am going to think the check raiser has 88-JJ (most people in $10 Tournaments are 4-betting QQ+/AK pre. I remove that part of his range but again it isn't impossible) in his range so if we are isolating his range to those hands we are basically flipping and with all the dead $ in the pot and the fact that we are drawing to the nuts (no board pair on flop) shipping is optimal.

Hope that helps.

jx01 · May 30,2011, 06:06 PM

Sure does, thanks for the replies