Dexx

Live - 1/2

Not much history with villian... He build up a monster stack 1000+ after 5 way all in pre with his jacks held... Been playing really agressive, and loose i guess... seen him show some premium hands, and some top pair weak kickers as well.

Im having a bad night - card dead/flop dead. Around 250 in chips. Dont have much history with villian as he is newer on the table.

Dealt to me - AT(h) on the button. Perfect
Limp all around to me - raise to 12
4 or so callers

A 9 5 rainbow
Cbet 25 only villian calls
Turn = 5

Flush Draw on the board, not hearts though.
I fire again - 50
Villian Raises 100 over the top...

Ive seen him showdown with K5o, so trip 5s is not out of the question... Could also be drawing to the flush.

EDIT: As Played? & Pre/post play?
EDIT: Apperently I am not playing as tight as I thought~

pokerJAH

don't like your kicker, fold.

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Vegas June 15 -19

darbday

im guessing you weren't playing retardedly tight before this....

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

Dexx

Not sure what you mean?

Trying to remember what hands I showed down with, but it wasn't many. Was playing broadway hands in position, meadium pockets, mostly limped smallpockets, and maybe the odd Ax sooted in position. Not many made it to shown down, unless they were cheeeeeep, like check it down cheap. Called a couple of cbets with overcards but let them go when nothing further developed, or whooshed the flush draw.

I made two moves within the past 4hrs of that one session, one was minraise my straight, which villian wasnt around for, and i think i cbet the turn with top pair decent kicker and had a fold.

Oh, and I raised my AA to 15$ and had no callers, prior to villian too. Then when you raise 15$ with AQs a couple hands later you get 4 callers and a dead flop.

Pretty much a fold fest. Maybe my definition of tight is off? Details are a little sketchy, but I am trying to be honest here - I like feedback for the donkey.

I'll typically play ABC, since anytime you even think about making a move, someone else who is more fishey than you calls down with a pair of 2s and wins. Most of the time I'll make a move with the nuts and still get a caller, makes me not want to make a move without a stand up hand for fear of getting called

darbday

ya thats not retarded tight is all

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

Dexx

Fair enough. I thought i was being 'retarded' tight... not being able to do much of anything post flop made it feel that way, might just be the frustration of being bored out of skull and card/flop dead perhaps.

What would be - 1010+ AKs only? I woulda been able to play like 3 hands that session if that was the case.

darbday

we can work through alot of this and it will help...but just noting thats not nitty play really....

but i don't think you should play really tight anways.......

but back to the hand....you raise ats on the button vs 4 limpers.......is this for value or as a bluff?

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

Dexx

Actually - raised against more than 4 limpers - dont recall for sure but lets say 6-7 limped. Standard button raise to thin the field out, no? I dont want to play ATs against 7 limpers. 4 callers is more than I would have liked, but pretty standard at this table anyway.... In my mind... was raising for value at this point - not fully realised on the flop.

Cbet on top pair decent kicker to steal woulda been fine. second barrelled on the turn beacuse I thought I could induce a fold - fold equity turns to zero real quick with the raise.

darbday

raising to thin the feild and for value are kinda the opposite....if we are raising for value then we will ask what worse hands call our raise. for example i don't think A9 really calls your raise much here....

we can rasie to thin the field and cbet to take down the pot.....however thats a bluff not value....and i don't know if ATs is the best hand for that.....because we can limp and see a flop and try for nut flush....we are worried about rasing pre and getting flatted by aj ak aq which crush us postflop..... and if we get limp reraised.....we kinda wasted a decent spot to make a nut flush in a big multiway pot....


now this is not a steal....we again ask are we raising for value or as a bluff. If your suggesting its a bluff to take down the pot I think that we are wasting our hand again. If we cbet its gotta be for value so we need to be able to name worse hands that call your flop bet.....

you raised pre so you rep a big hand...and you bet the Ace high flop so I don't think any worse hands are calling.....


you raised pre in a multiway pot, he calls, you raise and ace high dry flop, he call.....you repped ak or aces basically and he called....hes not likely to fold the turn with anything that called pre and called that flop and if he has air that will fold you are turning your better hand into a bluff....



consider limping pre.....but if you squeeze consider check the flop back....its dry your not worried about a draw.....and bet the turn or call his bet.....play a small pot here because your never getting value from his worse hands.......finally if he re raise your turn bet your not gonna know what to do with Top pair medium kicker.....

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

DennisG

I think any suited ace, suited king, suited connectors...they all call. This is 1/2 live we are talking about, right? J7o will call this raise live just because "it's my favorite hand"..

Again, this is live 1/2...I think the cbet is still for value here, your aj-ak's are more often than not raising preflop live...(barring any table reads)..aj is probably gray area.. AQ and AK the better part of the time. I know what you are saying though...

Once that second five comes off and then we get reraised..it's a no brainer to let it go..

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I am not on tilt, you're just a f*cking idiot.

darbday

i undstand and do agree but if all suited aces are in his range and not likely aj+ then we start to get committed he when we have a dominating kicker vs his aces up.....

but i understand its live too maybe we expect him to be passive with a2s here....but my whole point here is we let ourself get blown off the hand and have no idea....

on A 5 9 rainbow... the only hands that call that we beat is a weaker ace....we fold out 100% of everything else we beat.......besides a2 a3 a4...a6 a7 a8...........which are all hands capable of checkraising the turn as a flush draw comes on the board. when we bet/fold.....we are letting him bluff us off our hand with his worse aces.....

we repped a big hand but flopped a medium one i really think we need pot control here....its very thin value.....i think its a disaster to cbet this flop and especially to continue to bet/fold on the turn.......however ive been very wrong before....

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

ReefAquarium

I like Darbday posting.

In tough games you should just call with AdTd.

In tough games, you should consider, "Am I betting for value or as a bluff?"

In 1/2 with "only 7 players calling" you can also make a small raise because you have position and you play better than the brain dead monkeys you're up against.

It's exploitable but you can try making it $5-$7 and watch them all call. Of course this is not without risks if you have an appropriately aggressive opponent — It's a disaster if someone with AKs limp 3 bets you ...

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pokerJAH

still don't like your kicker.

You call, all your chips are going in the middle on the river. You push, he might fold but again, you want to get all your money in the middle with 10 kicker? Find a better spot.

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Vegas June 15 -19

darbday

okay but i think if we feel that we can scoop more pots by inflating a 4+ handed pot with a marginal hand because of position i think that we don't have enough edge to out play 4+ other hands that are loose/passive


see i think that would be more off a good send where as it would be a disaster for us if he limp/flats our raise

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I think I'll just get it in bad here and chalk it up to variance.

DennisG

I am not thinking they aren't there..just not very often they are limped..even weak live players raise AQ+ (except nitty old men..lol)

45s calls, 56 calls...89 calls, 910 calls, 67 calls in lots of casinos..I don't think we fold out worse all the time..again, this would depend on the player/table read.

I am not saying I would play it this way every time...but probably a fair bit at the live 1/2 games I have played.

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I am not on tilt, you're just a f*cking idiot.