what did villain have?

Muddguts · Nov 04,2009, 02:49 PM

Last night on a .25/.50 game I ran into a difficult decision...

Me (Muddguts) $47.55
opponent: $38.65

I am holding

I limp as does opponent

Flop comes:

I bet $2

opponent immediately shoves his remaining $38

I have an open ended straight draw and a flush draw. I folded.

Did he have an overpair? 2 pair? a set? It seems to me he was protecting something. Naturally I am wrestling with the thought of did I make the right choice? I wish I knew the math part of poker, knowing the odds of completing either of the draws I was on would have helped tremendously, so would of having "a pair"

Graham · Nov 04,2009, 02:51 PM

I would say he probably had something like Ace Ten or an overpair. I think if you did make the call it was probably about a 50/50 flip considering your outs.

JohnnieH · Nov 04,2009, 02:57 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Graham

I would say he probably had something like Ace Ten. I think if you did make the call it was probably about a 50/50 flip considering your outs.

No raise in front? I think the villain had J10 or Q10. maybe K10. Clearly he didn't want to give odds to a draw.

I would have called.

STR82ACE · Nov 04,2009, 03:10 PM

Call call call

Hellmuth's Mole · Nov 04,2009, 03:31 PM

Probably JQ or a flush draw. Can't see over pair or big ace if he limped. Can't be shoving a set if he has brains. Perhaps spiked 2 shit pair (92).

Don't hate a fold, wouldn't hate a call either. Depends how much you want to gambool.

blackmagicz · Nov 04,2009, 04:02 PM

Where was villian from?

Euro villian - bluff
American villian - 1 pair
CDN Villian - 2 pair

I am not folding there heads up. I think even your Jc may be good in some situations. Sometimes even your 8c if villian is euro and shoved with 33-77

darbday · Nov 04,2009, 04:18 PM

given the info, I don't really see how you can put the villian on anything other than not having your hole cards or the board cards.

Kristy_Sea · Nov 04,2009, 04:48 PM

Grunch: Your mom.

Kristy_Sea · Nov 04,2009, 04:51 PM

ok, I've read it all now...

...really see my edit line above, also I'm putting an early vote in for 'ban' if he didn't see this guys card and isn't going to be able to tell us the answer.

pokerJAH · Nov 04,2009, 05:08 PM

- against two pair, say 10d 9d, you are 50% to win the hand
- against over pair Kh Kd, you are 55% to win the hand
- against a set say 9h 9d you are 40% to win the hand

worse case scenerio 10c Ac you are only 29% to win

Would villian limp with an over pair (AA-JJ) or a small pair? If you think they only have one or two pair, call is ok. If they have top pair, you are way ahead.

I think this was live.

westside8 · Nov 04,2009, 05:10 PM

No brainer call. You're no worst than 50/50 even if he range consist only on sets.

Worse case scenerio is for you to be up against A10c or a hand like KQc, but I don't think you can put him on that narrow of a range. His range is wide enough that getting a tad better than 50/50 on your odds makes it a snap-call

DrTyore · Nov 04,2009, 05:10 PM

I want to know how he got involved with J8 to see a flop

I want to know what he was hoping for with his J8

I want to know how he'll play this differently when his testicles finally drop.

Mark

Wetts1012 · Nov 04,2009, 05:43 PM

I like you, but folding here is really bad.

Milo · Nov 04,2009, 06:22 PM

Jesus, even a donk like me would have called . . .

pokerJAH · Nov 04,2009, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DrTyore

I want to know how he got involved with J8 to see a flop

who wants to handle this one?