Perfdude

I had been playing fairly TA all game and had a decent understanding of what hands other players were playing. Then this one threw me for a loop.

Full Tilt Poker Game #17426032835: Midnight Madness! (129265007), Table 51 - 100/200 - No Limit Hold'em - 1:30:03 ET - 2010/01/08
Seat 1: Limpys_Friend (3,762)
Seat 2: modest99 (6,815)
Seat 3: ESPN Keebler (1,930)
Seat 4: Tyler Saretsky (9,416)
Seat 5: Leo-Lucky (2,840)
Seat 6: jaycon1980 (3,105)
Seat 7: WileyKat (9,482)
Seat 8: truplaya4real23 (2,717)
Seat 9: deuce n snow (5,585)
truplaya4real23 posts the small blind of 100
deuce n snow posts the big blind of 200
The button is in seat #7
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Tyler Saretsky [Jd Js]
Limpys_Friend has 15 seconds left to act
Limpys_Friend folds
modest99 folds
ESPN Keebler calls 200
Tyler Saretsky raises to 600
Leo-Lucky folds
jaycon1980 calls 600
WileyKat folds
truplaya4real23 folds
deuce n snow folds
ESPN Keebler calls 400
*** FLOP *** [Kc 5s Kh]
ESPN Keebler bets 1,330, and is all in
Tyler Saretsky has 15 seconds left to act
Tyler Saretsky has requested TIME
Tyler Saretsky folds
jaycon1980 calls 1,330
ESPN Keebler shows [5c Ac]
jaycon1980 shows [Ah Qc]
*** TURN *** [Kc 5s Kh] [Jh]
*** RIVER *** [Kc 5s Kh Jh] [8h]
ESPN Keebler shows two pair, Kings and Fives
jaycon1980 shows a pair of Kings
ESPN Keebler wins the pot (4,760) with two pair, Kings and Fives
*** SUMMARY ***
Total pot 4,760 | Rake 0
Board: [Kc 5s Kh Jh 8h]
Seat 1: Limpys_Friend didn't bet (folded)
Seat 2: modest99 didn't bet (folded)
Seat 3: ESPN Keebler showed [5c Ac] and won (4,760) with two pair, Kings and Fives
Seat 4: Tyler Saretsky folded on the Flop
Seat 5: Leo-Lucky didn't bet (folded)
Seat 6: jaycon1980 showed [Ah Qc] and lost with a pair of Kings
Seat 7: WileyKat (button) didn't bet (folded)
Seat 8: truplaya4real23 (small blind) folded before the Flop
Seat 9: deuce n snow (big blind) folded before the Flop

Obviously I would have one with Full House. But was my fold the 'wrong' thing to do. I'm thinking not. Blase away!

darbday

generally anyone with a king is going to slow play it, not always but you can bet on it. also there are already 2 kings on the board so you could argue its not likely he has one. most likely a pocket pair or good ace is going to bet that and you can assume any monsters qq kk aa would have re raised already. anyone with a king is expecting you to re raise so generally they will slow play anyways. and if they don't have pocket pairs its possible to put a guy on a five and likely ace five, although its way to easy to say that but thats the way i think. then i go all in and he shows pocket 5's.

88Fingers

my thought process:

There was 2100 chips in preflop (600*3 +200 + 100). You raised and had two callers, one who limped in before you raised. That is sometimes a sign of an Ace with a mid kicker.

The all in by ESPN is 1330 chips (2/3 pot). Im not too worried about ESPN having a King. As stated by darbday, people holding trips on that flop generally slow play.

If you call you have to think about what jaycon is going to do. He has another 1200ish on top of the 1330 bet by ESPN.

If jaycon goes allin, you call and lose to him/her then you are down to about 6300 chips for the next hand. At 100/200 blinds that is not such a bad spot to be in.



It's not the worst fold in the world. If you weren't sure where you stood, saving your chips is sometimes better than losing chips 'to keep 'em honest'.

That being said, I personally would have thought I was ahead and called - right or wrong.

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darbday

ya ill add i agree its not the worst fold, i hate calling these without more info but i suggest more often than not your ahead. sometimes with a bigger stack you can pick your spots but nonetheless i would taken this.

Wetts1012

No king ever plays this way, especially into a 3 way raised pot OOP. And with line the original villain took it is almost always a call.

The only variable is the third player. Given the stack sizes I probably re-ship to iso ESPN who we crush almost always.

With the lines and stack sizes I wouldnt ever advocate folding here.

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jdAA88

Ya what Wetts said, plus I make it $800 pre

T8urmoney

Call me an Anti-nit....but I'm never folding in this spot. It's not the worst fold ever, but close.

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blackmagicz

Yeah I would tend to squeeze out a bigger bet preflop. Limp callers are great fun especially when they shove there trying to rep a hand

88Fingers

I'm not folding myself either; but I have folded better in easier spots.

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Perfdude

Thanks for all the info. Was kicking myself over this one once I hit the fold button. Oh well..

Tilter

Flatting the flop donk lead all in would be good. And folding to shove from player behind is fine. Reason, how would you play trip kings out of position vs a pre-flop raiser. You'd likely go for a check-raise to maximize your value. Donk-leads are usually very weak until proven otherwise.

I think villain stop-n-go'd on you.