Easy Fold vs donk on tilt?

Akala16 · Jul 05,2008, 02:18 AM

I know what the correct play is.,..but damn i want to call/spite call this idiot. Pro's Cons?.........Thoughts.

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PokerStars Game #18591676777: Tournament #94506870, $55+$5 Hold'em No Limit - Level IX (300/600) - 2008/07/05 - 01:00:40 (ET)
Table '94506870 1' 9-max Seat #8 is the button
Seat 3: -#1Lottery- (2900 in chips)
Seat 6: ano5791 (4810 in chips)
Seat 8: SJSHARKY (1665 in chips)
Seat 9: Akala16 (4125 in chips)
-#1Lottery-: posts the ante 50
ano5791: posts the ante 50
SJSHARKY: posts the ante 50
Akala16: posts the ante 50
Akala16: posts small blind 300
-#1Lottery-: posts big blind 600
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to Akala16 [Ts Th]
Akala16 said, "?n1"
ano5791: raises 4160 to 4760 and is all-in

JohnnieH · Jul 05,2008, 05:11 AM

Some context would be nice.

It looks like he's just being a bully. I call, but that's me

stpboy · Jul 05,2008, 01:20 PM

It looks like you're just trying to make the money here. I can understand that line of thought. Perhaps you feel like you are a better player then to get your money in as a possible slight favourite. Still, hard to fold tens 4 handed. I say pretty good chance you were winning by a load.

stp

pkrfce9 · Jul 05,2008, 01:30 PM

sng on the bubble? you are second highest stack, shortie with about 2BBs?

if you love to gamble, you call.
if you love money, you fold.

harrington discusses this exact situation very well. it is a good read for those who are interested.

Akala16 · Jul 06,2008, 01:56 AM

Thanks, yes a lack of context..guy seemed like a complete donk..started shove botting WAY too early..but looking him up he is better than he was playing. Likely ahead but it's a fold, maybe in a $16 I call.

Agree with pkrfce9 as well..but Moshman>Harrington Imo.

pkrfce9 · Jul 08,2008, 09:57 PM

i would expect moshman to reach the same conclusion

Akala16 · Jul 09,2008, 12:23 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkrfce9

i would expect moshman to reach the same conclusion

Certainly.I knew the correct answer, but thought I'd just muse about poker because the discussion on here lately has been weak.

Point being the way stt's have progressed in the last year and a half if you don't understand ICM you're out to lunch (even pro's like Harrington).

At least a few of us on here are still interested in yaking about poker. Nice to see.

pkrfce9 · Jul 09,2008, 09:44 AM

you think (even for a second) harrington doesn't make full use of ICM?

Akala16 · Jul 09,2008, 11:35 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkrfce9

you think (even for a second) harrington doesn't make full use of ICM?

Been a couple years since I read vol.2, but at that point..
No..he wasn't. It was all about the M.

pkrfce9 · Jul 10,2008, 07:03 AM

time to go back for another read. there is a specific example from an SNG, 4-handed where he even shows you how to calculate ICM values.

Pantsonfire · Jul 11,2008, 09:52 AM

I don't have ICM handy but I can't see how a call here isn't +EV regardless of it being the bubble.

I go for first place in SnGs and winning this pot would almost guarantee that.

pkrfce9 · Jul 11,2008, 10:10 AM

and what would losing this pot guarantee you? and how big is your 'guarantee' of winning this pot?

Pantsonfire · Jul 11,2008, 11:30 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkrfce9

i would expect moshman to reach the same conclusion

Are you agreeing that it's a call at a different buy-in level?

Pantsonfire · Jul 11,2008, 11:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by pkrfce9

and what would losing this pot guarantee you? and how big is your 'guarantee' of winning this pot?

Sorry, I meant to say almost guarantee at least second place. And when I say "guarantee", I mean highly likely.

If you want to talk numbers, you'll have to wait until I get home and access my poker software.

Otherwise, feel free to show me calling here is -EV.

Wetts1012 · Jul 11,2008, 01:37 PM

It is probably marginal +cEV...almost sure it is -EV.