Pretty standard play from both of them, a lot of push folding happening. Both seem fairly hesitant to call an all in without the nuts. Then this...
PokerStars Game #35903742466: Tournament #216366302, $10+$1 USD Hold'em No Limit - Level VIII (200/400) - 2009/11/26 23:21:58 ET
Table '216366302 1' 9-max Seat #6 is the button
Seat 6: KB local (4664 in chips)
Seat 7: babyface4eve (4545 in chips)
Seat 9: REEBS77 (4291 in chips)
KB local: posts the ante 25
babyface4eve: posts the ante 25
REEBS77: posts the ante 25
babyface4eve: posts small blind 200
REEBS77: posts big blind 400
*** HOLE CARDS ***
Dealt to REEBS77 [Js Jd]
KB local: raises 4239 to 4639 and is all-in
babyface4eve: calls 4320 and is all-in
I had my hand ready to snap call until the second all in... What would you do?
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Seat 5: REEBS77 (button) showed [9s 9c] and lost with four of a kind, Nines
Fold. Reason being is one of those players will hopefully be crippled after the hand or busted (moving you up in the money as long as they both don't have the same hand). Also, you could be behind if one of them has QQ / KK / AA, in a race with any 2 over cards with at least one of the players. I doubt they both have smaller pocket pairs, but it would be better to wait for another spot imo.
They both have you covered = insta fold and you are moving up a spot unless they both have AA and chop.
If I was midstacked and there was a short stack I probably call because only possible way you get hurt in that case is if you lose to both short stack and big stack. If you win then you have the big stack heads up, if big stack wins then you finish 2nd anyways, if short stack wins but you beat big stack then at worst you probably break even.
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from you posting this I'm assuming the board was 94JJJ and you folded quints?
No, I folded thinking exactly what most suggested. Unfortunately for me the OR had A3o, which suprised me, and the 2nd guy had 9s. My Jacks woulda held, however I think I made the right fold given the circumstances.
Thanks guys.
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Seat 5: REEBS77 (button) showed [9s 9c] and lost with four of a kind, Nines
I'd probably call cause we're curshing ranges so hard, I don't know what the payout structure dictates us to do but if we fold we're accepting going into heads up with a 2:1 chip deficit.
If we're playing a 5 dollar tourney with payouts 10,15,25 we're then winning 25 dollars 33% of the time and 15 66% of the time so our EV is 0,33x25+0,66x15=18,3 dollars.
Now if we call with our jacks we need the following to be true: (e= equity)
So we need 55% equity to make the call with the jacks unless we think we have a major edge heads up with 11 BB's. With jacks I'd assume our equity to be around 50% so I guess wewould really have to fold
But thats a really good analysis Rich, thanks! I really need to start running through more hands like this afterwards, so that it becomes second nature at the tables... sngs I feel very confident in. Workin on my mtt game lately
oh and it was a standard stars $10 sng payout of 45/27/18
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Seat 5: REEBS77 (button) showed [9s 9c] and lost with four of a kind, Nines
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Originally Posted by Richard~
I'd probably call cause we're curshing ranges so hard, I don't know what the payout structure dictates us to do but if we fold we're accepting going into heads up with a 2:1 chip deficit.
If we're playing a 5 dollar tourney with payouts 10,15,25 we're then winning 25 dollars 33% of the time and 15 66% of the time so our EV is 0,33x25+0,66x15=18,3 dollars.
Now if we call with our jacks we need the following to be true: (e= equity)
So we need 55% equity to make the call with the jacks unless we think we have a major edge heads up with 11 BB's. With jacks I'd assume our equity to be around 50% so I guess wewould really have to fold
Queens is very borderline and kings we'd snapcall
I think we have a new rival for Blondefish.. No idea if this is correct or not but my head would hurt too much trying to determine if it is or not!... lol..
You gotta get over to this side of the pond someday Richard, would love to have you play in one of our local tournaments... You are definitley one of my fav posters on here..
I think we have a new rival for Blondefish.. No idea if this is correct or not but my head would hurt too much trying to determine if it is or not!... lol..
You gotta get over to this side of the pond someday Richard, would love to have you play in one of our local tournaments... You are definitley one of my fav posters on here..
Can u figure all of this out before the time bank runs out . lol
Can u figure all of this out before the time bank runs out . lol
well I probably spend 90 seconds writing that this morning. So if I don't have to write anything and just do it in my head then probably yeah, but I play mtt's <.<
The solution is the important thing though and that's the snap fold. IMO, the QQ is meh and KK is a snap call is also correct, especially against the opponents as described.
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No idea if this is correct or not but my head would hurt too much trying to determine if it is or not!... lol..
