Henjon

I play $5-$10 SnG:s. I would estimate perhaps one out of say 15-20 games develops like this with 8 (or sometimes even 9) persons still left on BB-level 200 (assuming a start stack on 1000 chips and first level BB=10) I think this kind of games are difficult from a strategical point of view. Normally you will be on the bubble or semi-bubble (or even ITM), but now it's still almost a full ring game. I can see two strategical paths to walk here:

1) I play aggresively since I'm not near the bubble and my stack is relatively short. 55 is a decent hand and the fact that still 8 persons are left in the game points to relatively tight players. So I shove. If I get called I'll probably face two overcards, but that's okey in this situation because my hand will hold up more than 50% of the time and then I will be in a VERY good position to come ITM. Calling? No - I don't want to play this kind of hand postflop and I'll be pretty pot commited anyway if I raise 3bb and get a call.

2) I play tight and wait for other players to lose their patience and start flipping against each other. Pretty soon we might be on the bubble then and I can shove with a better chance of avoiding callers (or pick up a monsterhand, call someone elses shove and double up)

The problem is I'm not sure which path to prefer... :-)

Graham

Thats what I said on my last line

Quinner

Wow pretty much word for word what went through my head before I shoved, it's actually probably what got me called because I thought for awhile before shoving so one might guess there was a decent chance they're not up against a monster. At any rate yea, tight table thought it was good for a shove, and also thought I might get called by the donkey and everything happened just as a predicted and I just got a bit unlucky.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

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jdAA88

I think this is a standard shove with your stack size.

westside8

Standard shove and cross your fingers.

DrTyore

Quinner, god bless you.... you're honestly my favorite poster of late for your poker discussions.

And yes, good push.

Mark

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Quinner

Thank me?? Eff that!! Thank YOU guys, I haven't made it into any mega bux yet but my game has improved dramatically in the short time I've been here. My reads are way better, I think I'm putting a ton more pressure onto my opponents and I fixed a good number of dumb mistakes that were costing me money before.

I think the next step in my game needs to be thinking ahead AND fixing the huge mistakes I still make way too frequently. Some are just embarrassing to post. But I guess since I've mentioned it let me give you an example. (This should give you a good laugh)

I got QQ in the big blind (25/50), one limper and small blinds fold to me so I popped it up to 200 and limper calls. Flop comes K J 3r I c-bet/probe bet 250.
Villain calls. Turn is an Ace, check check.

Here's where I get VERY stupid. River is a meaningless 7. In my head I think I've pretty much polarized his range to either a weak king or ace or a pocket pair that didn't give up on the flop. I'm thinking to myself well he MIGHT have me beat, however I don't think he's strong enough to be able to call a shove on the river seeing as I've shown some fairly decent strength so far.

So of course I go right ahead and do that thinking "man I'm so sick I can outplay anyone!"

.....

Then he snap calls with Q10o for the straight.

Boom. Bustoville. And I look and feel like the biggest fish you've ever seen.

So yea. If I could STOP doing that, MIGHT just help the game a little....ok ALOT. I think I'm overthinking some times and just need to play my cards a little more straightforwardly and/or cautiously and/or less STUPIDLY. Yea....definitely less stupidly.

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DrTyore

Quick tip...

You're never going to stop doing that... There are times when you'll work something through in your head, and be so sure that nobody would play something so badly, that that's when they do, and nail you... it happens...

Mark

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MidnightMike

Shove on the hand.

Marks right too, you might cut back a bit, but you wont stop doing it. There will always be some jerk out there who calls with such incredible garbage and hits runner runner that some mornings you will still wake up shaking your head over it. Or is that just me.

Quinner

haha, I sincerely doubt its just you Mike :P

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STR82ACE

I know Mike...he's right, its just him

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