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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:18 PM   #1
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SnG - Card dead

So... I just got blinded off a 9 person turbo sng...
Now... I kinda HAD to go all-in at that point (I think...) and I'd like to know where I shoulda acted to *try* and make a stand or which hand I shoulda played since this isn't the first time it happens.... (it kinda happens all the time lol)

Alright...

First hand :
Qc5c (SB) - Someone raises 4bb everyone folds - I fold.
4s8d - bunch of limpers - Fold
Qs6h - some limpers - Fold
Kh2s - 4bb raise - Fold
8h7c - I think I shoulda at least limped on this in middle pos but ... - fold
7h9h - 3bb raise - fold
7d5d - 2 limpers - fold
Qh8d - 3bb raise - fold
Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he best 30 - fold)
3c4d (SB) - 3bb raise - fold
9sTd - 3bb raise - fold
5c3d - fold
4d2s - fold
Ts7h - fold
4sTh - fold
9h4s - fold
8hTs - fold
8s4d - fold
8hTs (BB) 3bb raise - fold
8s4d (SB) fold (it's a 50 call at this lvl)
TcJc 3bb raise - I Call flop T7A rainbow - Everyone checks turn 4 some guy bets 200 - I fold)
Qh6s - fold
Ks5c - fold
9c2d - fold
3s5c - fold
5d9d - fold
ThQc (BB) I die to KK
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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:23 PM   #2
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You need two gears. One where you play based on your cards and one where you don't.

Did you consider taking one of your nothings hands up against a similar stack in the BB?
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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:26 PM   #3
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Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he
I don't see a lot here. 1 opportunity above to at least raise the limped blind. Sounds like there wasn't much raising going on. Bad cards obviously but you needed to try some steals in late position instead of blinding away. Tough cards InsaneGuy
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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:27 PM   #4
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Gonna need a lot more info than this... i suggest putting it into a hand replayer if you want to get helpful responses
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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:31 PM   #5
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You need two gears. One where you play based on your cards and one where you don't.

Did you consider taking one of your nothings hands up against a similar stack in the BB?
Well I agree to a certain point... there's a raise preflop... are you going to call or even re-raise the raiser with 810o ?
I agree that at one point you have to play position but when I was the button/B-1 I got the worse card ...

4s8d
9sTd (ok not too bad but ... call a 3bb raise there?)
Jc10c (already a 3bb raise - call I hit my 10 but geez 2 callers in the hand and there's an ace on the flop do you risk it all there?)
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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:32 PM   #6
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Gonna need a lot more info than this... i suggest putting it into a hand replayer if you want to get helpful responses
A hand replayer?
There's alot of hand... do you have something that won't clog the site with a bunch of images and such ? Or just simple links ?
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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:39 PM   #7
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So... I just got blinded off a 9 person turbo sng...
Now... I kinda HAD to go all-in at that point (I think...) and I'd like to know where I shoulda acted to *try* and make a stand or which hand I shoulda played since this isn't the first time it happens.... (it kinda happens all the time lol)
How about any hand that's folded around to you. If you just play the cards in your hand what is your advantage over your opponents?

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Alright...

First hand :
Qc5c (SB) - Someone raises 4bb everyone folds - I fold.
4s8d - bunch of limpers - Fold
Qs6h - some limpers - Fold
Kh2s - 4bb raise - Fold
8h7c - I think I shoulda at least limped on this in middle pos but ... - fold
7h9h - 3bb raise - fold
7d5d - 2 limpers - fold
Qh8d - 3bb raise - fold
Ad2h (BB) - only the SB calls - I check (KJ3 rainbow flop - 5 turn 2 river - he best 30 - fold)
What the fuck? You hit a pair on the river and fold to a minbet? I would have called with just the ace high.

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3c4d (SB) - 3bb raise - fold
9sTd - 3bb raise - fold
5c3d - fold
4d2s - fold
Ts7h - fold
4sTh - fold
9h4s - fold
8hTs - fold
8s4d - fold
8hTs (BB) 3bb raise - fold
8s4d (SB) fold (it's a 50 call at this lvl)
TcJc 3bb raise - I Call flop T7A rainbow - Everyone checks turn 4 some guy bets 200 - I fold)
What the fuck! again? Everyone checked the flop... your 2nd pair is probably good.

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Qh6s - fold
Ks5c - fold
9c2d - fold
3s5c - fold
5d9d - fold
ThQc (BB) I die to KK
If you play so tight you really have no business playing turbos.

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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:45 PM   #8
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pokerxfactor has a hand replayer... i think you will need to sign up for a free account to use it... im sure there are others but i think the pokerxfactor one is the most used
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Old Mar 25,2008, 03:56 PM   #10
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How about any hand that's folded around to you. If you just play the cards in your hand what is your advantage over your opponents?


What the fuck? You hit a pair on the river and fold to a minbet? I would have called with just the ace high.


What the fuck! again? Everyone checked the flop... your 2nd pair is probably good.



If you play so tight you really have no business playing turbos.

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Well for all these reasons that I was making this post !
Usually in single table sng you only need a couple hands to make it to the final 3-4 and then it's a different ball game... I do have some trouble early game making those profitable calls ... I know the odds tell me to call but the guts tells me I'm beaten. or something like "there's no way you'll win with a pair of deuce".
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Without knowing how short you were for each hand, I can see atleast 4 hands that are shovable.

Depending on the site, you could probably load the hands into SitNGo Wizard and it can help you identify where you should push.
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Old Mar 25,2008, 04:02 PM   #12
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the JT hand where you called the raise... fold that pre
the last hand is a very very standard fold preflop

i think every hand is a fold preflop with the exception of the A2 hand when you were in the BB where the SB limped... you should have raised that up preflop

You didnt blind down in this sng, you bled chips... you still had enough chips to wait for a hand or a spot to shove light
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Old Mar 25,2008, 09:06 PM   #13
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So... I just got blinded off a 9 person turbo sng...
Now... I kinda HAD to...
i found the problem...
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Old Mar 27,2008, 01:59 PM   #14
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PokerStars Game #16244313834: Tournament #82247778 $6.00+$0.50 Hold'em No Limit - Level III (25/50) - 2008/03/25 - 15:54:51 (ET)
Table '82247778 1' 9-max Seat #2 is the button
Seat 1: marco2707 (1535 in chips)
Seat 2: InsaneGuy (1370 in chips)
Seat 3: goobretty (1750 in chips)
Seat 4: crainemann (1298 in chips)
Seat 5: mad_doggie53 (1923 in chips)
Seat 6: FourAcesNow (3070 in chips)
Seat 7: ELIZABETH_27 (1517 in chips)
Seat 8: grainbelt09 (1037 in chips)
goobretty: posts small blind 25
crainemann: posts big blind 50

Holecards:
Dealt to InsaneGuy [TcJc ]
RAISE mad_doggie53, 150 to 200
FOLD FourAcesNow
FOLD ELIZABETH_27
FOLD grainbelt09
FOLD marco2707
CALL InsaneGuy , 200
FOLD goobretty
CALL crainemann, 150

Flop:
[ Ts7dAc]
CHECK crainemann:
CHECK mad_doggie53:
CHECK InsaneGuy :
How can you not bet here?
Not betting here is much worse than open pushing with 23o. unless you are trapping.
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Turn:
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BET crainemann, 200
FOLD mad_doggie53
Ok your trap worked ... push all in!

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FOLD InsaneGuy
crainemann collected 625 from pot

SUMMARY:
Total pot 625 | Rake 0
What are you waiting for?
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Old Mar 27,2008, 03:22 PM   #15
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i found the problem...
Don't knock them.. I'm winning money about 50% of the time with these..
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