BREAKING NEWS! collusion ring busted at pokerstars

philliivey · May 25,2010, 08:44 AM

Wow, I wonder if GTA or anyone else who plays double or nothings will get alot back, have to check my hold em manager and see if I played any of these morons.

Yup stars is safe,lol

This is why stars wants to get rid of double or nothings, too many problems.

Collusion Ring Uncovered at PokerStars

Milo · May 25,2010, 09:32 AM

Anyone who assumes that an unregulated web-site, of any kind, is 100% safe is a fool.

Does that mean you will get ripped off by P*'s?
Doubtful.

Does it mean unscrupulous members can collude to cheat you?
D'uh.

Do you honestly think this is limited to DoN's?
They are probably just the easiest to manipulate.

philliivey · May 25,2010, 09:34 AM

Nope, you just have to browse the lobby for mtt's and see the number of multi accounters, even regular sit n go's, it's so lol that people make it obvious they are doing it.

Now I think they will move to other sites like aced if it is not already happening there, This is prob why full tilt does not have them or have said it's not likely they will ever offer don's.

Milo · May 25,2010, 10:00 AM

I think DoN's started as a way of getting some "dead money" back into the games . . . as in "Look! Just finish in the top half and double your $$$ !!! It's easy."

As for the cheaters, as long as the sites rake in a boatload of cash before it gets noticed . . . meh.

Cerberus · May 25,2010, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Milo

Anyone who assumes that an unregulated web-site, of any kind, is 100% safe is a fool.

Does that mean you will get ripped off by P*'s?
Doubtful.

Does it mean unscrupulous members can collude to cheat you?
D'uh.

Do you honestly think this is limited to DoN's?
They are probably just the easiest to manipulate.

+1. I got refunded about $20 many moons ago because people had been colluding playing $3 SNG's. It's out there. You've just got to be aware. Besides, it's the same you'll find at casinos and underground clubs too. Collusion is everywhere. It doesn't mean we have to stop playing, just that we have to be actively looking for it...

Especially playing against COmp and Milo. Soooooooo obvious!

*ducks the Ban Hammer*

Milo · May 25,2010, 10:08 AM

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Originally Posted by Cerberus

Especially playing against COmp and Milo. Soooooooo obvious!

Please post hand histories to confirm. I know Comp is too old to remember, I'm just concerned I might be, too . . .

*ducking the inevitable reverse swing . . .

kilowarning · May 25,2010, 10:49 AM

" The funds in your account will be used to compensate those players that were harmed by your actions. " haha, I call bullshit.

STR82ACE · May 25,2010, 10:58 AM

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Originally Posted by kilowarning

" The funds in your account will be used to compensate those players that were harmed by your actions. " haha, I call bullshit.

Explain pls??

Scoops · May 25,2010, 11:42 AM

I got credit of $52 into my account for DoN collusion.

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PokerStars has become aware of two players who were working together in our Sit & Go tournaments to the detriment of other players. You were involved in at least one tournament with these players and as a result you may have been adversely affected.

The players' accounts were closed and their funds frozen pending a thorough investigation, which is now complete. Fortunately the problem was identified quickly and they had only played in a few tournaments before the accounts were closed.

In a case such as this it is our policy to confiscate the colluders' winnings or balances and to distribute them to the players affected by their actions in as fair a way as possible. To confirm your credit, log onto your PokerStars account, go to the 'Cashier' screen and click the 'History' button. Your share will be shown "ADMIN CREDIT", followed by the amount of the credit.

I regret that we will be unable to answer questions as to how your specific credit amount was calculated. Likewise, we are not at liberty to identify the specific games or players in question. Suffice to say that they have been barred from the site and you will not encounter them again.

The integrity of the games at PokerStars is of paramount importance to us and we will not abide cheating or collusion in our games. We work hard to police our games and prevent such instances. In the rare cases where collusion has actually occurred, we make sure that any players affected are compensated appropriately.

Thank you for your continued play here on PokerStars. Please do not hesitate to let us know any time we can be of help.

moose · May 25,2010, 12:09 PM

I'll have to check that list when I get home. I play a lot of the $50 DONs so probably at some point I got colluded by these guys. It's obvious to me that some of these guys are cheating when you look them up on sharkscope they have tens of thousands of DoN results with a ROI of 1-2%. I don't mind playing the regs because I think the direct effect of getting colluded in a DoN is much smaller because the variance on these is so low.

kilowarning · May 25,2010, 10:00 PM

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Originally Posted by STR82ACE

Explain pls??

Just seems unrealistic that they would do that, seems like it would be way to much work. And how would they refund the money and to who? Anyone that was at the table?

GTA Poker · May 26,2010, 02:08 AM

I didn't get any refund and I played thousands of $20-$50 DONs in March and April. I can't be bothered checking the list but are you saying that Stars requires you to email them requesting a refund based on that list?

STR82ACE · May 26,2010, 05:42 AM

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Originally Posted by kilowarning

Just seems unrealistic that they would do that, seems like it would be way to much work. And how would they refund the money and to who? Anyone that was at the table?

It would be a bigger issue if they didn't refund. It's their reputation on the line. As far as how they would refund, they would first freeze all the accounts of the accused, then reimburse players they have played against with those funds. Obviously, it would not be enough, so players would likely get a percentage back based on the number of games played against this group. I doubt the victims would get everything back though.

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Originally Posted by GTA Poker

I didn't get any refund and I played thousands of $20-$50 DONs in March and April. I can't be bothered checking the list but are you saying that Stars requires you to email them requesting a refund based on that list?

I don't think they require you to email them about it. From what I've read so far, they're paying out by sending each player an email stating why they are being reimbursed, surprising the victims. I would just scan the list against your database, see if you have any history with anyone in this group. Chances seem to be that if you have one name in common, you're going to have a few. Then I would email P* and ask for a refund, if they haven't sent you one yet.

GTA Poker · May 26,2010, 01:38 PM

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Originally Posted by STR82ACE

It would be a bigger issue if they didn't refund. It's their reputation on the line. As far as how they would refund, they would first freeze all the accounts of the accused, then reimburse players they have played against with those funds. Obviously, it would not be enough, so players would likely get a percentage back based on the number of games played against this group. I doubt the victims would get everything back though.

I don't think they require you to email them about it. From what I've read so far, they're paying out by sending each player an email stating why they are being reimbursed, surprising the victims. I would just scan the list against your database, see if you have any history with anyone in this group. Chances seem to be that if you have one name in common, you're going to have a few. Then I would email P* and ask for a refund, if they haven't sent you one yet.

I emailed Stars and they responded saying that they haven't started refunding anyone yet.

STR82ACE · May 26,2010, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by GTA Poker

I emailed Stars and they responded saying that they haven't started refunding anyone yet.

Don't think that's right. Several on 2+2 have gotten refunds already, and Scoops said he got it as well, right?