What about the concept of all players protecting the integrity of the game? Blabbermouth knew the best hand would not win the pot if inadvertently mucked. Does he then not have an obligation to speak up?
No...see above. How does playing someone else's hand for him protect the integrity of the game?
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That level 5 trap really paid off...ship him the cookies.
Its a catch 22 for the person who was shown the cards. He's wrong for saying something before the hand was over and would be wrong for not saying something if he saw the winning hand about to be mucked (more morally in his mind).
That's why no one should show anyone else their cards until after the hand is over. It is rare to have someone show their cards to someone and then still call or show their hand. I have read a rule where if you show your cards, at any point, to anyone, your hand is dead. Regardless if it would have won or not. That would clear up this situation nicely.
I have been to Moose's game once before and I don't think anyone would have a problem having this rule stated and followed.
The couple of times I've played at Moose's have been light hearted games where everyone is trying to win, two things I didn't think possible to do at the same time. No one ever had hard feelings, although JohnnieH's reaction to my 65c boating his QQ the 1st hand was kinda rough (can't say I blame him though, I was playing like a twit). I'd say if it wasn't made clear about the rule that night, make it clear the next time everyone plays and move forward.
BTW, I don't think you're holding a grudge or being a jerk about any of this, just that you're legitimately looking for how to handle a somewhat icky situation.
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My only issue is that more than 1 person saw my hand.....i didn't flash to my neighbour....he was the only one paying enough attention when I opened my cards (they never touched the table) and didn't let me talk him into my 1 pair call. Seek the Grail did see my six and he was clear accross the table. He did not see both cards although i showed both in the same hand. Either way I am a douche as I caught the flush I was chasing and didn't realize it. By the same token I've never shown my cards to one person and folded ever.
I do have a solution though: Video cameras.
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That's why no one should show anyone else their cards until after the hand is over. It is rare to have someone show their cards to someone and then still call or show their hand. I have read a rule where if you show your cards, at any point, to anyone, your hand is dead. Regardless if it would have won or not. That would clear up this situation nicely.
I have been to Moose's game once before and I don't think anyone would have a problem having this rule stated and followed.
none of the above occurred.
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[QUOTE=beanie42;290598]The hand in question was with 800Over, and after much betting we end up at the river heads-up and it goes check-check. I turn over my cards and declare "2 pair". Nik says "just a 6" and is about to muck, shows his cards to the player beside him, and then as he's about to muck, that player points out "you have a flush". At this point Nik apologizes since he didn't see it, and scoops the pot.QUOTE]
I was just responding to what OP said happened. Seems there is conflicting details.
As an Auto Adjuster, each person is 50% At Fault, as there are no independent witnesses and police were not called to the scene.
Not to say its ok, you kinda got screwed beanie.....maybe not speaking for everyone here, but I would like to think a lot.....you don't say anything about what someone is playing or folding WHILE THE HAND IS LIVE!.....still was, I for one would be unimpressed, someone not the dealer should be quiet period!! Thats more the point I think.
Once its dead pointing out he had a flush, or not saying anything at all.....but if your mucking face down your cards dont matter, even if you have the nuts!
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What about the concept of all players protecting the integrity of the game? Blabbermouth knew the best hand would not win the pot if inadvertently mucked. Does he then not have an obligation to speak up?
Clearly.
No he should not speak up.
The decision to table or not is not to be assisted.
One Player Per Hand!
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Last edited by ReefAquarium; Dec 18,2011 at 07:30 PM.
Its a catch 22 for the person who was shown the cards. He's wrong for saying something before the hand was over and would be wrong for not saying something if he saw the winning hand about to be mucked (more morally in his mind).
It's not a catch 22. You should keep your mouth shut. The decision to fold or muck should not be assisted.
One Player Per Hand!
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Last edited by ReefAquarium; Dec 18,2011 at 07:31 PM.
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