trigs

ahh...okay then. i can`t really disagree with you if you don`t know the definition of equal. since in this instance there`s an impossibility of equality i guess we have nothing left to say to each other...

how is signing up late vs signing up on time 100% the same thing...i don`t get it. perhaps you should explain your side because you aren`t listening to me i think, otherwise you see that late vs on time registration is obviously two different things and it`s impossible for them to be equal.

trigs

yeah, you`re right in a sense. the word fair is not really used in this context any more even though that is the original understanding of the word. replace it with equal or equality. that`s what was really meant by it in this thread (and how most people use the word fair nowadays).

Richard~

Let me rephrase it then, I know that a late reg in no way has any edge on us just cause he's late, nor do I think we have an edge on him cause we're early

trigs

you "know" or you "think". have you crunched the numbers sort of thing or is this just your feeling. it's honestly 100% balanced? no edge in either direction? i find that very hard to believe simply because you say so, sorry.

darbday

i understand the thought here but think its cleary wrong, again though i don't know about the time. although someone who starts the game later with a full stack has a better chance than the ones who have lost most of their stacks, this is a piece of the pie that has been taken out of context. the full stack has lost the ability to build their stack for the first part of the game, and by general theory has lost the chance to win money from the lesser players. so in the long run, and we should always look at the long run of multiple tourneys, which this question doesn't, it is always a losing bet to reg late.

kingkao86

How can someone prefer rebuy over late reg.?
I'm the total opposite, I hate rebuy, just because of the first couple of stages are ridiculous. People playing like donkeys and its a real crap shoot for the first couple of levels, if you don't double up the first couple levels, you are at a complete disadvantage because everyone was being all donkey like and tightens up once the rebuys are done. So if you didn't get a hand the first couple of levels, you are shit out of luck, the blinds are big, and the average stack is huge.

Late registration is fair, as people register late, you've had the opportunity to build up your stack and people bust out of the tournament as well. You've had your chance to build your chip stack and they come in 50 minutes late with 1500 chips when the average chip stack is 1600 and hopefully you are ahead of the average. If you have no confidence in your deep stack game in early tourney scenario to pick up chips, then just register late! The chance to accumulate chips is much better.

trigs

yup. in other words, it's not equal. it's impossible to be equal.

darbday

its equal and fair because all players get to do it, but as far as the segment of the topic goes, if you reg late, then you are tossing opportunity. if you are sitting as a short stack pissed at the late reg's you don't understand poker...

Quimby

If you buy in late to a tournament, you are starting with less than the average stack if there are bustouts. Anyone who signs up late is at a disadvantage.

Rebuys are a whole different game. They are essentially lower rake, deep stack tournaments. If you can't handle the gambling in the early stages to get chips on the table, don't play them.

Richard~

I used the word know and thing representing what I know and what I think. No reason to expect there to be any edge in either direction is there? Your rambling about losing a pot early is nonsense tbh as it doesn't take into account your expected stack size after half an hour or whichever time you want to look at

Looking at extremes it wouldn't be profitable to register at the bubble of a tournament with 2 BB's. The question is if it becomes more and more unprofitable the further behind the field you start as long as you start with a certain number of BB's. That's the part I don't think neccesarily holds true

darbday

yes you lose edge in the long run by reggin late.

Richard~

because?

I suppose some bad players have time to bust, but mathematically I don't see why you would

Edit: Talking about average joe right now, not a good player

darbday

for one as time goes by the less than average joes have lost there chips. the average field competition is higher already.

compuease

definitely a disadvantage to reg late, the later it is the more the disadvantage.
/end thread

Richard~

HerchelW didn't seem to think so, and if he's ok with it I'm sticking to my gut feeling that it can't be terrible if we ignore the strength of the players in or as we would say in physics "assuming a uniform field strength ^^' "