Yes I accidently registered twice. I was running two skins because some tourneys are available in one skin and not the other but I did accidently register 2x for the same tourney. It was accidental but I admit this is in violation of their policy. I've created a shitstorm and I think this is going to be an expensive lesson.
The thing is I can uinderstand their points. Even though it was completely accidental, the fact that it is possible to do this is what created the situation in the first place. It was my fault and I should have been more careful, but Pokerroom made it possible for it to occur.
I really wish I had just sat out of one of the tourneys but I didn't know what to do other than not play at the same table, which never occured.
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I can see how that type of mistake can be made if you play many tournaments. I guess the main question is what did you do when suddenly the same tournament started for 2 skins at the same time.
If you sat out on one account for the duration of the tournament regardless of how the other account did then you would have a very legitimate explanation that you made an error but compensated to have zero advantage (in fact it would be a slight disadvantage to you). This would also assume that you did not make this mistake a lot of times in the past (which would be easy for them to check).
If you did play both, well then it is a substantial risk that you will have your winnings taken if you go very deep.
This type of thing happened a lot on the Crypto skins, I still remember a person boasting at the table that he finished 1st and 7th in the same tournament once (was a series of fairly decent valued tournaments for Interpoker at the time).
I have not read the twoplustwo forum post, but most there got for the simplistic picket line scream style approach to "debate" much like tellbox here when often times the issue is a bit more complex.
Edit: After clicking the link I see you finished 1st and 10th with user names that are obviously the same person. Umm, yeesh not quite sure what you were thinking there.
Oh yes it is obvious. Which why there would be no point to denying it. ie. claim it was my wife etc. Totally accidental. Not something that has happened before. I didn't know what to do once it happened and unfortunately I did well enough in both for it to be noticed. I'm famous now for a bad reason. I'm not sure what anyone else would have done in the same situation.
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I dont get it. The software obviously allows players from different skins into the same tournament. The issue is that your username wasn't Moose1 and Moose2?
Also, they used to detect this but recently removed it? I fail to see how you are at fault here moose. Unfortunately, since this is online poker we're talking about, you are at the mercy of the operator and will likely have no recourse to whatever decision they make. I hope you removed all your cash from ongame.
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OnGame and pokerstars has always allowed multiple accounts from the same IP to play in their mtts, but not the same person. Semantics I guess. Obviously the issue is that it does permit cheating. Not what I intended to do but against their rules. Since the software does allow multiple accounts in the same tourney, nothing prevented me from accidently registering twice.
I'm not going to come out and claim innocence. As soon as I realized my mistake it was too late and the tourney was already running. I really didn't know what to do at that point. But I knew it was wrong.
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I think it's important to note that moose did not play at the same table with both of his accounts in this tournament (or that's what his other thread said, i think). While this is still not good and is against the rules of the site, I think it falls short of 'cheating'.
I also hope you've taken all your money off ongame.
The hole in their software is an issue but not the REAL issue here.
You knew that it was sketchy and you played on regardless. You should have sat out one account, contacted support and got refunded the buy-in.
For you to play on and blame the software is just plain sketchy. For you to expect nothing to come of it is naive.
cdnmoose = JJProdigy
Eh, I think it is similar yet different. I believe that it was a mistake to register for the tournament multiple times (though if it came out that you had done this many times in the past that would no longer be the assumption).
The ethical lapse came when you chose to play the tournament with both accounts, which you acknowledge. Not a lot of wiggle room there in terms of what could you do, you are not a brand new player so with all due respect you probably knew what your options were at the time.
The JJProdigy comparison is off because that was a case of intentionally doing what was in theory done by accident a single time here once. Both are cheating, but the intent behind the actions should be a consideration.
And indeed the player is at fault even if the software "allows" something like this to happen. Some common sense needs to be the guide in this area as well.
did you actually actively play the 10th place finish? if so, you are likely fcuked. You must have had an advantage come the final table when both players were seated at the same table?
Meh...he screwed up...he admitted it when it first happened..started a thread on it in fact... and no one jumped all over him then...why now? Mob mentality?
He isn't trying to justify it..shyte happens.
Hope the money is moved.
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Meh...he screwed up...he admitted it when it first happened..started a thread on it in fact... and no one jumped all over him then...why now? Mob mentality?
Could I have been more clear in the original thread?
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Dirty rotten cheater!
Obv comparing Moose to JJProdigy is tongue in cheek. I believe him when he says that he didn't set out to do this on purpose. Still, he handled it poorly and obviously realizes the fact.
Also he has proven to be extremely opinionated in his treatment of other people in the past so I find it funny that he publicly just took a giant shit in his own pants.
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