This guy (on pokerstars) just told me he played in 5 tournaments today, and that I made the worst play he saw in any of them.
I didn't say much, because I've been wrong before, but I don't think I did anything wrong.
There was just me, him and a third guy who was all in.
I had nothing, but I figured the guy that was all in for nothing, and the guy who got pissed off for a small pair.
So I made a sizable bet and the guy (that was not all in) folded.
There was no side bet going.
The guy who was all in won the hand, his high card was bigger than mine.
The guy who folded posted a bunch of messages about how dumb my play was, and someone actually agreed with him.
I thought if he folded then I only had the guy who was all in to worry about, but they said that was the funniest excuse they ever heard.
So I don't know, I just don't know...
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Originally Posted by Graham
If it was the short stack you both should have called and checked it out, but I can't believe in 5 tournaments that was the dumbest play.
Agreed that this wasn't the dumbest play for sure, however the only times I just check it down in this situation is if this is a satellite bubble, or it is a regular bubble situation and I have a less than avg stack. Since we don't know the rest of the situation, ie stacks, etc. it's hard to give a solid answer.
basically you want to eliminate players from tournaments. you don't want to bet someone out of the hand when you have nothing in this situation, as he could have bottom pair or a better high card and eliminate the player that is all in.
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There is a strategy that is basically "implied collusion". Basically, if there is someone who is all in, and more than one person has called, AND there is no "side pot" to win, oftentimes they will simply check it down in order to maximize the chances that the all-in player is eliminated.
HOWEVER, most people don't understand that this is a good strategy only when (as compuease said) you are on the bubble for the money, or for a satellite seat. Some people will assume this strategy when there is still several / dozens / hundreds of people left in the tourney, and that's an inappropriate application of it.
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Originally Posted by DrTyore
HOWEVER, most people don't understand that this is a good strategy only when (as compuease said) you are on the bubble for the money, or for a satellite seat. Some people will assume this strategy when there is still several / dozens / hundreds of people left in the tourney, and that's an inappropriate application of it.
Mark
Agreed Mark, and I'll go one step further, if I have a big stack and we are on, or near, the money bubble. I'll bet him off the hand if I think it's possible, for two reasons. One, it's easier to beat one op than two. and second, I may be able to tilt the rest of the table and take more advantage of the small stacks for longer if the small stack stays in. NOTE... This only works if you are the big stack.....
If this was preflop then thats fine, isolating is a good play. If it was just a post flop bluff, then its silly. If this is early in a tourney, who cares.
Can't really make a noteworthy comment unless we know the situation it happened in the tourney.
Here's an example of a bad time to bet when a player is all in:
Played a step 3 on Stars Saturday:
Sitting 3-handed, tourney pays 2 step #4 tickets, so we're essentially on the bubble.
I'm sitting in the BB with 2 random cards
Button is short-stacked and moves all in (slightly more than BB).
SB (equal chip stack to mine) calls, I call.
Flop came down another 3 random cards, SB moves all-in?
(this is where you'd luv to reach your hand through the monitor and slap the dumb beeatch)
This is what I would call a mentally challenged play.
SB shows top pair, button rivers bigger pair, and remains in the tourney.
Now, as it turns out, it didn't matter, as my hand wouldn't have been best at showdown, but it could have been.
Of course the poker gods were looking down, and the SB ended up being the bubble.
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