Good day all, been lurking for a while just enjoying reading the great advice and insights you all have.
I'm casual player, but getting more serious as I go along...I came across a situation during a game that sparked a heated debate and would like to ask a question. I tried the search function with no luck....so if this has been covered before, please point me in the right direction.
When a raise is announced and then a number is called out....is the total amount of the bet that number or is that number in addition to the original bet or what you may already have in? For example: If the blinds are 5-10 and the table folds around to the small blind and they announce raise and say $30...is that the bet or are they obligated to put in $35?
I have always been under the impression that the number announced is the total...am I wrong?
That is why people should not just only say raise. It should be "raise to" or "raise more". But, in this case, depends on the way it is said and whether their is a pause. If there is a pause, then it is implied to be the total amount bet. If there is no pause, raise 50, then it is on top of the initial bet.
But anyways, I don't think anyone at the table would take offense and just wait for the chips to go in. Don't think their is an obligation here. Just tell the player to be more clear.
I think you can caulk this one up under "Verbal Is Binding" category. If the blinds are are 5-10 and some raises to $30, it would be $30 total. Now if the raiser had said $30 more, it would constitute the initial $10 for the call plus $30, so in total $40 would be the price of poker now.
I see alot of people that are new to live poker mess this up, its always best to verbalize what you are going to do, and then get the chips out there. That's my opinion anyways.
Cheers
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Home Game setting:
Player 1: Raise 30 . . .
Player 2: 30 total?
Player 1: Yes, 30 total . . . sorry.
Player 2: NP, just wanted to make sure.
Casino setting:
Player 1: Raise 30 . . .
Player 2: 30 total?
Player 1: Yes, 30 total . . . sorry.
Player 3: Verbal is binding he has raise 30 on top.
Player 1:
Player 4: FLOOR !!!
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I think Milo is correct. Raise 30 is a raise of 30 above the current pot. In a casino type setting. Like an earlier post mentioned the language used can be very key.
I think Milo is correct. Raise 30 is a raise of 30 above the current pot. In a casino type setting. Like an earlier post mentioned the language used can be very key.
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Due to this confusion between players at the same table over what a verbal "raise ##" means, when I am playing with people I do not know, I always just say "raise" and let the number of chips I move forward identify the amount.
It gives me extra time to think... I say "Raise", then I will put the call amount of chips in one pile (right in front of me) and stack my actual raise in a second pile, then slide them out together. I find dealers like this as well as they can quickly identify the raise amount.
Due to this confusion between players at the same table over what a verbal "raise ##" means, when I am playing with people I do not know, I always just say "raise" and let the number of chips I move forward identify the amount.
It gives me extra time to think... I say "Raise", then I will put the call amount of chips in one pile (right in front of me) and stack my actual raise in a second pile, then slide them out together. I find dealers like this as well as they can quickly identify the raise amount.
I have seen players do similar to this at CRegina. They announce a raise and grab a stack of chips. They place it over the bet line and proceed to cut their chips. The house rule there is there is no string betting, and cutting your chips counts as thus. You are then commited to either a call, or if the cut was large enough, a max raise of the first cut pile amount.
My advice is to try and be aware of house rules. Even home games would have varied rules. If you are unsure of something, ask! If the dealers/players can't tell you, call the floor manager or equivalent.
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