DrTyore

Hello all

Well, after reading posts / discussing with forumers, a decision has been made.

WHEN: Sunday, March 1st, 2009 1:00p.m.

WHERE: Bristol Street Nightclub and Casino

WHO: 1 & 2 game winners of the KWTC

WHY: See the other thread....

HOW: Ahh... the big question

The game will be a freeroll tournament, for those players who have at least one win in the KWTC race. This list includes:

Moose (2)
g2 (2)
DrTyore (2)
stpboy (2)
800over (2)
beanie42 (1)
kristy_sea (1)
reddington (1)
Zithal (1)
8Ball (1)
2Bullets (1)
RangerMike (1)
sstar (1)
Haddon (1)

Now, as I said, this game will be a freeroll tournament. The players names have the number of games won next to their names. Those players with one win will start with 10k in chips, while those with 2 wins will start with an advantage of 3.5k, for a total of 13.5k in chips. In keeping with the KWTC, this is a winner take all tourney, with the entire pot being awarded to the winner <will update size when I count it again>.

Many people mentioned adding money to the prize pool, so there will also be available an optional side bet of $20 - essentially a last longer bet that is paid out to the top three participants in the side bet. Any players participating in the tourney that do not wish to put the side bet on, will neither be forced to, or eligible to qualify for its payout.

Please confirm/cancel your attendance to this game in this thread. PLEASE NOTE: Given the extensive time between this posting and the game, it is expected that you will be able to schedule yourself to attend, anyone not participating forfeits their claim to any KWTC prize money. Seats are non-transferrable.

Mark

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sstar

Sounds good to me.

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beanie42

Sounds good - I'm in.

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BrennerM

Sounds like a good scheme. Count me in.

Mike

800OVER

I also would like to add my positive opinion of this tournament echoing the previous members of the KWTC caucus and would like to put my name forward for consideration. (That means cool I'll play). I would like to suggest a pre KWTC brunch/lunch be convened prior to this Tournament. Any suggestions? Also as in the other thread I suggest that there has to be some kind of bragging rights prop bet also. Anyone got any ideas? I suggest that the bet include stupidity and chicken wings. (or ribs/street meat/apples whatever).
Anyone have a problem with declaring insies or outsies for the last longer bet prior to the tourney(ie now) so that a payout can be figured out. Inzees!*


*spelled both ways to hope for one being correct.

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moose

In for $20 but it should be $40. Not up for brunch or whatever.

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g2

I guess I missed the poll where the majority of KWTC participants agreed to this date.

/g2

DrTyore

The date was picked with quite a lag so that we could give a lot of notice, couple this with the fact that we tried to book around Zithal's schedule (February was unavailable), and then also discussions I had with people told me that Saturday was not a good day.

Mark

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800OVER

Make a suggestion.

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Zithal

Oh, I guess I'll play.

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Redington

Why don't you just make it pineapple, seriously, you can't have a fair game of poker when starting stacks aren't the same.

But of being only one win, I guess our opinion doesn't matter as the organizers have already made the rules. Given the last thread, I thought you guys were backing away from this set up.

Understandably, people would feel with two wins that they deserve more. I would suggest that everyone with one win has to add $5 to the pot so the 2 winners get a winners advantage but to start off the tourney at a 35% chip deficient doesn't make it a fair game in a WTA tourney.

Whatever happens you guys decide. However, I wanted you guys to know how i feel about it.

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800OVER

Fair is in the eye of the beholder. I don't think that a win in the triple crown can be made up by a $5 addition ($45 total). You can have a "fair" tourney with some bigger stacks if that's where the advantage of winning twice is placed. That's why we had the other thread. Having said that I do believe in the original thread mentions a vote. We'll put you in the against side. Currently I've got a 7-1 for vote with 1 unknown. And since I won twice I get 5 votes which makes it 11-1.

I do believe that the whole people/organizers with 2 wins want an advantage business is a slight misrepresentation/red herring. The opposite argument could be used for anyone with only 1 win. You guys only want us to give up our well earned/luckbox advantage. Depends on your point of view I guess.

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g2

Could you please post the blind schedule for this tourney.

/g2

DrTyore

Hasn't been worked out yet.. but fear not, it'll be a nice, deep stack with a lot of play.

Mark

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beanie42

I think part of the point being made is that it SHOULD be easier for a 2-win person. Making it cheaper for them doesn't do that, giving them a bigger stack does. I didn't think double-stack was fair because the first win is the "easy" one and the third win is the "hard" one, since 1-win people would have 2x as many opportunities for a second win as a person going for a third, but they are closer. I can see there point about deserving an in-game advantage and tend to agree with it, as long as it isn't a massive adavantage. Personally, I think 1/3 stack is pretty fair (so 800 can put me in the for, if he didn't already).

Somewhat agree. I think most of us are looking out for our own interests, and rightfully so. But it isn't either side that chooses the format, it's the organizers. And while Mark isn't flaunting all the work he's been doing to try and figure this out as fairly as possible, I will. He has talked to a bunch of people at length, including a number of people outside the group of winners to try to get an impartial opinion. Whether you like the format or not, accusing the organizers of doing it for purely selfish reasons isn't really fair.

As far as a vote goes, good luck getting everyone to agree on a format, extra buy-ins, dates, etc. I think Mark is making a smart decision to just try to make a fair but arbitrary decision, otherwise this thing will never get done. But if you want to nitpick, it actually says that either a new host will be found or a freeroll will be held, and that changes to those rules require a popular vote. Since he's going with 1 of the 2 listed options, nothings changing, so a popular vote isn't required.

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