Repost from 604 Poker. For all the armchair tournament directors.
I don't know the author of this post, and I'm not sure if this discussion has taken place here before, but I'm interested to know what the 13Cards and Blondefish's and what have you's of the world would rule here.
"So I was sitting 5 feet away at a cash game when the following goes down.
35 runners, top 4 pay, 15,000 starting stack (525,000 total chips). 30 min levels, blinds 600/1200, 6 handed.
1st: $8750
2nd: $4375
3rd: $2625
4th: $1750 (these figures may be slightly off due to tips out of prize pool etc., but are pretty close)
They start talking about some saves for the bubble person. Agree to share a few hundred. A 30 or 40-something asian dude is chip leader, I've played 2/5 with him in the past. So basically the two chipleaders get into a huge donk on donk violence spot (I recall the white guy calling for a 6 and saying how he was "playing to win") and the asian dude emerges with 380,000 chips (knocking out the other dude). So he has 72.3% of the chips. So now they are on the actual bubble, with him having 315bbs. They go on break. Now is where shit goes down.
Apparently Mr. Chip leader goes outside to smoke, and during the 7 hours the tournament has been running security has finally taken notice that he has in fact self-banned himself. So they refuse to let him back in. Chaos naturally ensues, I LOL.
The semi-incompetent tourney director (since they never run MTTs at edge and have no experience etc etc) decides that Mr. Chip leader will be DQ'd, and removes his chips from the table, leaving only 28% of the original chips in play. The players go outside and hand the dude the agreed upon $500 or so for his "5th" place finish.
So the remaining players are in the money, and a regular many may know (but will remain anon) takes down the $8K+ first prize, having come back from being short stack.
Was this a fair resolution? What should have been done? As far as I know, Mr. Chip leader forfeited his $550 entry fee as well."
I'm pretty sure this is covered under the French Robert's rules under the heading "Le Phuck de Clusteur". If they had any brains they would have approached him at the table and said as soon as the tourney is done....you're out.
Reminds me of a tourney that I was at where I was dealing on the bubble with two decks. I dealt the flop, turn and river with a different deck than what was in the players hands. Knocked out the player and he left. Didn't realize till I sat back down cause we had a break. (nobody noticed and I never said a word) brutal!
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Originally Posted by 800OVER
Reminds me of a tourney that I was at where I was dealing on the bubble with two decks. I dealt the flop, turn and river with a different deck than what was in the players hands. Knocked out the player and he left. Didn't realize till I sat back down cause we had a break. (nobody noticed and I never said a word) brutal!
F***k, So that's what happened. I knew something was funny about it!
I'm going to say that because they let him play, they should have let him finish the tourney, and then give him the boot. That being said, I don't know if there may be any legal ramifications of letting him play.
Did you follow the dude to the next casino, as I'm sure he was on mega tilt.
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Until 13CARDS removes his self-ban from this forum, here is my 2¢. Gaming regulations prevent the player from being allowed back in. Having read the Rules and Regulations documents of tournaments I have played in, the BCLC probably has several out clauses giving them the legal right to disqualify the player. For example, from the OLG Blue Water Classic rules:
"In the event a winner(s) does not meet the eligibility requirements, then the OLG has no obligation to award any prize(s) to that winner. OLG reserves the right to disqualify winners and forfeit prizes if the winner does not meet all of the contest rules and regulations."
What the player could have done (aside from not going to the casino while banned):
- ask for the highest person in charge at the casino, e.g., Casino Shift Manager, praying for a different final decision.
- consult with a lawyer. Self-banned addicts have tried lawsuits before for being able to sneak back to the casino.
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Originally Posted by dinobot
I'm interested to know what the 13Cards and Blondefish's and what have you's of the world would rule here.
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here is my 2¢. Gaming regulations prevent the player from being allowed back in. Having read the Rules and Regulations documents of tournaments I have played in, the BCLC probably has several out clauses giving them the legal right to disqualify the player. For example, from the 
