Turn and river play?

mac · May 01,2006, 01:51 AM

$1-$2 NL table, lots of $$ on the table , you've gone from$100 up to $1000 over 7 hrs.

You are in the bb, seat 5 ( average player $300) makes it $17, seat 8 calls ( this is the stack you have been focusing on $700 and newby to the game, first time in a casino, getting very lucky) , sb calls $17 ( very good player tag $1000). Look down at AA, no cutsy plays here, raise to $60, call, call call.

Flop Jc-5s-7s, sb bets $100 into a $240 pot. Now this concerns me butÂ* I believe my hand beats his. raise to $200, seat 5 goes all-in( $190), and seat 8 hums and haws( newby remember) was going to fold but now decides pot is too big and calls, sb calls $100. Wow, bet , raise, call, call, how do you like your hand now? My big concerns are the sb and now ive committed 25% of my stack to this hand and do i want to keep pushing this one pair? 3 live players. mainpot $1040, sidepot of $30

Turn is a 5d, the all in player now stands up in jubilation and is ecsatic. You know you have lost the main without some help, sb checks, what is your play ?

specialK · May 01,2006, 12:01 PM

raise WAY more preflop... maybe even push, if not push the flop.

SirWatts · May 01,2006, 01:11 PM

You do need to raise more preflop, but not pushing, and pushing the flop is great if you only want to get called by a set. You can't be this crazy on a 500xBB stack. I would make it $120 to go preflop. You would prefer to only be called in one or 2 places, and you should cut down the odds on a smaller pair flopping a set on you since it's going to be very difficult to lay down AA in this huge pot after the flop. On the flop you need to raise more to protect your hand. I'd make it $350, and if the SB still hangs around I'd start to get worried. On the turn I would check. The only hands you're worried about are a set and flush draw at this point. Since we're no longer winning the main pot there's no point in protecting our hand against a flush draw anymore and we're dead against a set so there is no point in betting. Anything else is more likely to call on the river, and doesn't have many outs since we have the best possible 2 pair. If it's checked through and a non-spade non-jack comes on the river and SB checks to you I would value bet around $150.

KRNL · May 01,2006, 01:27 PM

At CN, I'm probably making it $85 pre-flop, maybe $105. Â*Do you have the As? Â*It helps rule out hands like As,Js ( a v. likely holding, based on my own CN history) and As,xs for the other two players. Â* I think you're ahead of seat 8, who is likely on a pair+draw or nut draw hand. Â* The real question is, would the SB fastplay a set in this situation. Â*Again, at CN this a perfect place to bet out with JJ or 77, but is that the line the SB would take? Â*If you've been playing with him or her for seven hours, you need to be able to ascertain this, I think. Â*

The turn check is kind of interesting though. Â*If you don't have the As, I do think that As, K-Js are possible for the SB, and I'm tempted to bet out here. Â*You want to make it sweet enough that the player in seat 8 can call, but that you can fold to a reraise from SB. Â*Since most B&M novices don't care about bet size relative to the size of the pot, I might make it something like $75-$125 and hope that seat 8 is bad enough to call. Â*

SirWatts · May 01,2006, 02:04 PM

Hmm after some thought Im pretty sure Im wrong. I would bet $150 on the turn, a flush draw has to call you because it still has hope for the main pot and you can get away from your hand if SB raises you, though I can't imagine him playing a set this way.

Meistro · May 03,2006, 11:43 PM

Check the turn, you don't want to get stacked for 500xBB with one pair.