ReefAquarium

Fallsview 7 AM. The table is a mixture of tourists and regulars. I've never seen the guys in this hand before tonight. They came from a broken table. I've been playing small ball tight aggressive and slowly building my stack. 2/5 I have 900 I'm in the BB with red 77, 2 limpers tight button makes it 30, I call in the BB, 2 limpers call Flop is KJ7r Pot is 122 I bet half pot (60), 2 folds, button makes it 160 with 274 behind .... I more than cover him. The villain has been on the table for about 2 orbits. He's played and won one hand. He hasn't shown down any hands.

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FalkyBones

You called a raise against a seemingly
tight opponent that is on the button,
who had a fairly narrow range of hands,
with you pocket sevens, went set mining,
and hit your set on a rainbow flop.

You are committed to this hand.

You should not be calling raises with small/mid
pockets if you arent prepared to follow through
when you hit your set on a fairly safe board.

Set over set is a distinct possibility here,
but you cant be worried about the boogy man.

If he has AA, QQ, or even AK, he's thinking
thats a pretty good flop for him.

MickeyHoldem

We're just afraid of JJ and KK, obviously in his range, but we're not deep enough here to be laying down flopped sets... and there's no line here to extract more info... it's push or go home here!

Checking this flop to the PF raiser was an option... but I don't think that line gets you any additional info here... and probably nets you less money when you're ahead. Push and Pray...

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pokerJAH

likely KJ so if you think he will call your all-in, easy push. If not, call and push on the turn. If a K or J come on the turn, it will be hard to fold a full house. I'm not folding to the $160 with trips.

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AcidJoe

I push, he will call. if he has KK or JJ so be it. As someone else said you went mining for gold and hit the vein. Now is not the time to be a pussy.

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Kristy_Sea

why is he raising a k/j/7 rainbow?

Not sure that pushing is the best option here.

(obv we're going broke with this hand)

lunatic

Since I don't know much about the villain I would shove here. You can put him on a range but I just don't think that you can put him on only JJ or KK without knowing more about him.

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adpro

I bet he's on a straight draw with T Q or A Q, or even A T suited right?

It looks like he's trying to push you out of the pot right now early. You re-raise and he folds.

I would push for sure. Make him make a decision for all of his money. I say at best he has top pair and you will surprise him with your set. You said he hasn't shown any cards, so he's taking down a lot of pots by pushing people out when he's on draws or hits small. In that case, you might even want to slow play, if you sense total weakness. Either way, I would push to avoid the straight hitting and busting your hand.

If he does have a set, most of the time you will surprise the other player here with your set and take down a huge pot. That's the beauty of a set.

Either way, I think he's on a straight draw or has K J.

pokerJAH

cash games seem to be all about flopping a set these days. Player 1 raises with AK, Player 2 calls w small pocket pair. Flop comes A28. Player one hits top pair, player two hits trips. All the money goes in the middle, yadda, yadda, yadda.

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Kristy_Sea

for some reason I woke up thinking about this hand...so I decided to write more.

I really hate the general consensus here...which seems to be shove.

A lot of 'he doesn't have a set...get it in there' I just can't imagine what they're putting the opponent on that CALLS?

Lets say he's raising a legitimate hand.

Hands that are beating you obv: KK, JJ

Hands you're beating that will probably call: AA, AK, KJ

Now here's the part I'm interested in:

Hands you're beating that will fold to a shove often: KQ, K10, K9, QQ, AJ and ALL BLUFFS

let's remember how you're perceived Derrick, you have this super-tight image, and you've just probed the pot against a pf aggressor WHO WAS ON THE BUTTON. Who has come back over the top a perfect $100. If he's not set-over-set he's seeing if he can push you around.

Once in a while you are beat, but it is rare...and what is more certain is that many of the hands that you're good against here are shoving a second smallish probe bet on the turn, but folding to your shove on the flop.

I agree that we want all our chips in but on that board, I feel your biggest worry is giving lesser hands the best chance to get their chips in with you.

People who are worried about straight draws completing are losing their damn minds.

pokerJAH

so call and push on the turn; you ain't folding honey bunch. That would be completely in SANE.

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Kristy_Sea

who the fuck ever said 'fold'

pay attention

ReefAquarium

I hate the shove here.

You're never going to push JJ or KK off the hand ... Folding out the KX's AA, QQ and bluffs is a disaster.

I like flat call and bet small on the turn. Pushing on the turn makes no sense for the reasons above.

Kristy's line of flat calling and calling the turn shove is fine too if you think he will shove the turn.

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adpro

It's a tough decision. You will likely get him to fold if he is on a draw, but you're right, he won't fold if he has JJ or KK.

Are you going to fold if he goes all-in, or are you going to call?

If you can't put the hand down, you are risking the chance that he hits something bigger than you on the turn or the river.

Why not push and try to get him off the hand early?

If you go all-in now, chances are you win, and there is a good chance you are going to push him off of his hand.

If you just call and a K hits, what do you do? Fold? Call his all in? You're in a stickier situation.

I still like shoving. I feel you have more chances to take the pot down now than you do seeing a turn and river card. Most of the time if he is on a draw or has top pair, you will win even if he calls your all in. Why not try to take the pot down now while you are pretty much almost always ahead of him. You still have a chance to take a decent sized pot right now.

Any thoughts?

In my opinion, this situation will almost always lead to an all-in for both players, so why not just push and hope your set holds up the way it will most of the time?

Also, pushing here will make him make a decision for all of his chips, and it won't make a huge dent in your chips. If you win, you will be up quite a bit more, and if you lose, you will have another bad beat notch on your belt.

adpro

I take that back. It wouldn't be a bad beat if he had pocket kings, haha. You would have another beat on your belt where you would win most of the time. Maybe not bad beat.