golden1

I have recently entered into a bet with a longtime friend and regular player for $1000.00 which I was hoping you could help me out on. The bet arose from a hand that played out which ended with one player holding an ace high flush and another a straight flush. The player with the ace high flush announced “nut flush” at the end of the hand and the other player then revealed the straight-flush winning the hand. I cannot recall or not if the straight-flush was the nut straight flush or not but it shouldn’t matter either way. The issue that came out of this particular hand was whether the player with the ace-high was incorrect in announcing he had the “nut flush” due to the fact that he was beat by a straight flush. My position on this is that there is a clear difference between having the “nut flush” and having the “nut straight-flush” or any straight flush for that matter. I believe that each hand category has a “nut”. Such as the “nut straight” or “nut full-house” and that the “nut flush” is simply the highest possible hand in that category. Through my research I have found various sources that back up my position such as Wikepedia’s definition of the “nut hand”:

Terms such as "nut flush" or "nut full house" may be used to refer to the strongest hand possible in a particular category, even though it may not be the nut hand overall. For example, a pair of aces with the above board could be called the "nut full house", even though there are two higher (but very unlikely) hands possible. Terms such as "second-nut flush" and "third-nut straight" are also applicable. The straight A-K-Q-J-T and any highest-possible flush is also often referred to as the nut flush/straight, regardless of any pairs/other threats on board.


Spam link removed by moderator, nice try.

Nut Flush: holding the best possible flush, generally an Ace high flush is considered the Nut Flush, but a straight flush beats a Nut Flush and can be considered the best possible flush hand.

And finally, nolimit-poker.net ’s definition:

Nut Flush - Player has the highest flush possible. Example: (Player has A, 5 of hearts and the board shows 2,7,J of hearts)

This bet has been going on now for over a month without either of us conceding. I have had numerous local players agree with my opinion and he has few that agree with him. According to his logic the “nut flush” could also be a royal flush which I believe is just ridiculous. A flush is five cards of the same suit that are not in sequential order. Therefore the “nut flush” would be the highest possible hand under than context. A straight flush is five cards of the same suit that are also sequential. I believe that by announcing a straight-flush as a “nut flush” is misleading and would be borderline slow-rolling in most circles and I would like to have a pro’s opinion on the topic. Can one player hold the “nut flush” and be beaten by a player holding a straight flush? Thanks for your help with this. I’m looking forward to finally ending this bet either way.

GTA Poker

you really took all that time for that?

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golden1

for a 1k bet...ummm yeah

ReefAquarium

Nut Flush == Best Flush... not necessarily the winning hand....


eg... Ah3c on a 7h8h9h2h2s board....

2c2d beats it..

so does 5h6h

Best Flush can be beaten by a straight flush etc...

ThJh==Stone cold Imortal nuts == Best possible hand.

You've won the bet.
Get your money.

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golden1

Thanks... i need some more opinions before claiming victory. Please post guys.

Wetts1012

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Wetts1012

OKOK.

Nut flush is the best possible nonsequential flush hand.

Straight flush is an entirely different category.

Make sure the hookers you buy with your monies are nice.

IMO...

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screenman

And don't forget a public washroom flush always beats a dump in the woods with a leaf wipe.

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pokerJAH

Probably seen this situation twice; would think the nut SF is different than the nut flush.

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I keep looking for a "return" key on my terminal . . . must be a Mac thing, huh?






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trigs

can't believe this is even a debate.

"nut flush" obviously refers to the best possible flush and has nothing to do with straight flushes or the the nut straight flush. grats on your $1000.

schabs

+1 to that

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syphilaids

I nut-flushed your mother.

Kristy_Sea

Hall of fame please.

BEST.POST.EVER.

darbday

i really think there should a thread for post of the year votes and what not.